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Question:
Hi again, it's K. in NY. I have written to you in the past about my difficulties staying pregnant. I have had 7 chemical pregnancies in the past 18 months and one miscarriage at 9 weeks after using femara (you felt it was probably due to a respiratory virus I contrated around 6 weeks). I tested positive for MTHFR mutation heterozygous but also this didn't appear to be the issue.
I guess I have a 2 part question for you. The first would be related to causes of chemical pregnancies. My progesterone levels have been on the low side of normal (even during the pregnancy that ended in miscarrige) and I really thought that was the cause. I was placed on 50 mg suppositories 2 months ago and I did get a positive result this month (8 DPO Hcg 12, progesterone 18.8, took femara and progesterone) but my HCG level was back to <5 on 10 DPO.
Are there other implantation issues that could be my problem besides chromosomal abnormalities and low progesterone that lead to a pregnancy not progressing? I know I shouldn't test early, but I was trying to establish if low progesterone levels were the cause of my losses.
Part 2: is it possible to just have an underlying HCG level that elevates above 5 regularly, and if so, what would that signify? As you may remember, my old RE wrote off the HCG values as me eating too much cereal and developing an antibody to HCG that triggers pregnancy tests. I will be visiting a new RE soon and want to be sure to ask the right questions and supply the best information.Thank you very much for all of your insight and for volunteering your services. Merry Christmas!
Answer:
Hello K. from the U.S. (New York),
Let me take the second question first since it is the easier of the two to answer. The answer is NO, you can't have an underlying HCG level from cereal or any other source other than pregnancy. Serum pregnancy tests are very sensitive and testing for the beta subtype (bHCG), so there is no cross reaction even if the cows you were using the milk from were given hormones for some reason (I presume that is what your old RE was thinking as a source. A little far fetched if you ask me).
In terms of your chemical pregnancies, that is a difficult problem to answer. If you have already undergone a complete recurrent miscarriage evaluation (hormones, infectious diseases, anatomical, genetic, immunologic) then we may not have the technology to find the exact cause. However, the hormonal is easy to check through blood tests, and I automatically place my patients on progesterone supplementation just in case; anatomical testing would take an ultrasound and hysteroscopy, again an easy test; and infectious diseases and genetic are also easy to test. The only one that is difficult and not completely understood is the immunologic component. Many authorities have looked into many different immune factors.
If you look at a website by Reproductive Immunology Associates, who have made a practice of the immunologic causes of miscarriage, you will see lots of different test that they recommend. Because this component is so difficult to define, experts have conflicting opinions.
If you were my patient, I would put you on a protocol that I use and, for the most part, have been successful with. It involves taking aspirin 81 mg per day starting at the beginning of the cycle, medrol (prednisone) 16 mg per day taken from the beginning of the cycle then decreasing to 8 mg after ovulation, progesterone vaginal suppositories beginning after ovulation and, finally, heparin 2000 units twice per day subcutaneously beginning at the start of the cycle. The aspirin, medrol and heparin treat for subclinical immunologic problems and the aspirin and heparin also help to increase blood flow at the microvascular level at the implantation.
Good Luck & Merry Christmas to you too :) ,
Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
http://www.montereybayivf.com/
Monterey, California, U.S.A.
Comment: Thank you SO much for your opinion. I will definitely have to look into these additional things. Glad to hear that I am doing all that I can do on my own and that I am advocating for the right things. It makes a HUGE difference when you have an idea what direction you should be headed so that you can work with a doctor to get there. Merry Christmas!
I've now had 4, possibly 5, CP's. Thank you for the advice. I am going to show my RE.
ReplyDeleteHi Dr. R, this question is unrelated to CP but I was unable to add to the bleeding after ET section. I hadmy day 5 blastocyst frozen embryo transfer yesterday morning. I had been on daily progesterone pessaries but yesterday swapped to injectable progesterone. This morning when I went to the bathroom I have passed a small bright red clot and have very light red blood on wiping as well as light stomach cramps and lower back pain. It is too early for my period but I am very worried and am still waiting to hear back from my clinic. I would appreciate any advice. Thank you
ReplyDelete-J
Hi,
DeleteThere is no way to know what exactly is going on but keep in mind that not all vaginal bleeding ends up as a miscarriage. I have had, and many have also reported many cases, of post IVF patients having vaginal bleeding and continuing with a successful pregnancy. At this point, you'll have to wait until you have your pregnancy test to know what the result is. That is all that can be said at this point.
Good Luck
Dear Dr Ramirez,
DeleteI hope you could help me. I had my first ovulation induction this month. I am 36 yrs old and husband is 44 we were diagnosed with unexplained infertility.. I was given Femara 5mg on the 3-7 day of my cycle. Then, Gonal F 75mg injections on cycle day 8-11
I had my ultrasound on cycle day 12 and had 18mm and 20 mm size follicle/ eggs 1 on each side. Doctor gave me the Novarel trigger shot ,he said they were ready and have intercourse for 3 days.
I came back for another ultrasound on cycle day 17 and he said fluid and lining is 10 mm which is all good. Then he gave me another 5,000iu Novarel to boost my progesterone. A day after my shot cd 18 I had a pinkish spotting and then another one the next day which is a dark red spotting. I felt a lot of severe cramping the past few days, severe burning when urinating, frequent urination even at night. pungent smelling urine, sleepy and tired all the time. Are these all side effects from the shots iI had? I am worried about having UTI, I also have vaginal irritation and a lot of creamy cervical mucus lately.
I hope you could respond to my message so I can have the peace of mind that these are all just side effects.
Thank you in advance!
Mariyah
I'm not sure I would relate these to the HCG injection necessarily. You should take to your doctor about them so that he can do some testing.
Deletei had a miscarriage about 2 months ago and i bleed for 10 days and had a natural miscarriage and got told 6 to 8 weeks my period would come back and its been almost 8 weeks and when i wipe i get a thin red blood line for the past few days and stop
Deletei had a positive pregnancy test sept 9th and went to the dr on sept 25 they told me i wasnt pregnat and didnt explain anything and didnt even do an ultrasound or anything... af came on sept30 which used to be normal but 2 months before concieveing i was getting 2 menstrals a month and going with the one i got pregnat on i should have been due for it on sept 16th. im so confused as to everything because my Dr didnt really say anything and looked at me crazy when i told her i am 100% sure i was pregnat. i also had mirenia and had it removed in april any advice to concieving woud be GREAT because this game of trying is making me lose sleep
ReplyDeleteI'm afraid I wasn't quite following your story but the best advice I can give is for you to see an infertility specialist, NOT a GP or general Ob/Gyn. That specialist could then advise you on how to proceed to here so that you don't "lose sleep" trying to get pregnant. Also, you need to find a doctor that listens to you and NOT think you're crazy.
DeleteI just had my 4th chemical pregnacy i have a blood clotting disorder my doctor gives me clexane only once we know if im pregnant my question is would it help to take clexane after i have my iui could this help
ReplyDeleteI will not contract your doctor's protocol, as protocols can vary widely. But in general, with patients that have recurrent pregnancy losses, the medication is taken on a daily basis from the beginning of the cycle where you are attempting pregnancy and continued until 10 weeks gestational age of the pregnancy. It is stopped if the pregnancy test is negative.
DeleteYou'll need to ask your doctor about the specifics of the protocol he is using and also ask him if he can refer you to information regarding that protocol.
Hi docter
ReplyDeleteI am 33 years old living in isreal i have had 4 chemical pregnacies the specialist said once i fall pegnant to start pregnel injecion twice a week but that did not work my doctor is now startng me on clexane from day 12 of my cycle along with 20mg of prednisone until 6 weeks of pregnacy i do have a bloog clotting disorder the docter found clymidia but it was taken care of with antibiotics
do you think this is the right treatment
thanks
dani
I will not contradict or comment regarding your doctor's protocol. There are lots of variations, none of which are absolutes.
DeleteMy protocol in recurrent pregnancy loss patients is to use low dose aspirin 81 mg from the start of the cycle, heparin or equivalent from the start of the cycle, medrol (methylprednisolon) 16 mg from the beginning of the cycle, estrogen from the beginning of the cycle and then progesterone (both injectable and vaginal) from just after ovulation. These are all continued until 10 weeks gestational age if pregnancy occurs.
Not all doctors use this protocol.
hi doctor im 26years old female wt 56kg with normal BMI want to concieve since 2years my fsh lh ratio is altered 3.6:7 and i have oligomenhorrea so my doctor diagnosed me as pco i got ovulation induction with clomiphene citrate 50mg od and responded in my third cycle with 150mg dose on day 12 i had scan for follicular tracking that showed mature follicle i got beta hcg inj im but i didn't concieved in that cycle after that i took an other cycle of clomiphene 150mg after 1 week of missing period i got my urine pt positive and after 1 more week i had my scan that showed non gravid slightly enlarge uterus with thick endometrium after then within 2 days i had miscarrige may be loss of chemical pregnancy my doctor advised me not to take ovulation induction for 3 months after that miscarriage i had my menses after 35 days and in this cycle im 2 days overdue than my 35 day cycle but my urine pt is still not positive im taking tab duphstan 10mg as hormonal support but i m confused of my situation and want your expert opinion for my case what will you suggest if im your patient
ReplyDeleteHi !moiseur ! Im from india.
ReplyDeleteIm 25 yrs old and mom for 2 childrens and
Ttc for 3rd child for 1yr,i have pco past 1 yr,
And my fsh,lh all hormonal test are normal,
For my last two babies are formed normally
But y I can't concive naturally? My doctor prescribed metformin daily,3-7 days of my cycle letrozole 2.5mg 2 tab at night, she told me to reduce my weight and she told u will be concive this month or continue this tab next month u will concive other wise come at march 2013 we will see an x-ray ...would I get pregnant or our fails? And one more thing I need yo concive and give birth to boy baby..any way for it?
MERCY BOQUE...MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEWYEAR..!
Hello,
DeleteI'm American, just so you know. I'm skeptical of the doctor you are seeing because she is not monitoring your response to treatment. Usually an ultrasound is used to evaluate the ovaries to see if you are responding to that particular dose of medication. She is not doing that. How can she know if you are responding, how many follicles are forming, whether or not they are growing and when ovulation is going to take place? A good and competent doctor would be checking and that is what you need.
If ovulation is the only problem that you have, assuming you have had a complete infertility evaluation, then once you arrive at the problem medication and dosage to get you ovulating, I would expect you to eventually achieve pregnancy.
I would stop the metformin. I don't think it is necessary unless you have been shown to have insulin resistance. Most doctors over use this medication thinking it is the treatment for all PCOD patients. It only works in about 30%.
Finally, in terms of having a designated sex in your baby, the only way to do that is to undergo IVF with preimplantation genetic testing.
Good Luck
Hello Dr. Ramirez,
ReplyDeleteI've had 3 miscarriages (all between 6 - 11 weeks) and I am now almost 36 years old. I've had all the testing done (except for loss genetic testing) and I'm fine on all testing. 2 Fertility specialist have referred me over for IVF or to consider an egg donor ... one considered treating me for the immune problem by using neupogen (although I haven't really had any 'immune elaborate type' testing).
The only thing I did in the last misscarriage was that I used progesterone, metformin, baby aspirin and synthroid. I'm still taking the metformin and synthroid ... it's now about 2 years later almost 3 yrs down the road and I'm starting to have different results now on my hormone testing (AMH, FSH, Estradiol) which again the reproductive specialist said I'm probably going into premenopause now. I was adviced to try naturally on my own again and test at home for my LH surge then start the heparin and progesterone on day 4 past my LH surge. So i've tested this month from calendar day 10 to day 18 all with negative (or no LH surge). My question is ... should I start the heparin and progesterone just in case I might be pregnant?? (With my previous pregnancies the progesterone was started well after 4 weeks of already being pregnant and perhaps it was too late to prevent a misscarriage). Trying these medications is all I've got left since I don't have kids and don't have the funds for IVF here in the states. Also I've always gotten pregnant on my first try without timing ovulation and my husband does have a child on his own already so he is not the problem.
Thank you for your time and suggestions.
Colombian from the Southeast.
Hello,
DeleteUnfortunately you have eliminated the ideal treatment at this point (IVF), which would give you the highest chances for pregnancy. If you are going to try naturally then I would recommend low dose aspirin, medrol, heparin and progesterone. The aspirin, medrol and heparin are started at the beginning of the cycle and taken all the way through. The progesterone is not started until after ovulation. Because you will have progesterone on board, you will not necessarily have a period so a pregnancy test has to be planned.
Keep in mind that ALL these treatments should be under the direction of your doctor.
Good Luck
Sir,
ReplyDeleteGreetings
We r from india.we want your valuable advice.we are trying to concieve for the last four years but failed.As per mt gyn. my sperm count,motility,morphology normal.Hee M.C. regular.tubes are open .ovulating regularly.every reports are normal.we did 6 iui but failed.now what sir?
There is something wrong but it has not been found yet. In general, if IUI fails four times, we recommend that you move to IVF because something is interfering with the natural process to achieve pregnancy. I think you are at that point. If you don't want to do IVF, then you would need to have a laparoscopy to see if there is endometriosis or scar tissue within the pelvis, a hysteroscopy to check for uterine cavity issue, a cycle day #2 or 3 hormone panel, and an end of the month endometrial biopsy for dating to rule out luteal phase defect. These are the tests you don't mention whether or not you have had done. I would not recommend any more IUI's.
Deletei forgot to mention that we did laproscopy.gyn says my wife has polycystes ovarian syndrom and we did a n operation with the laproscopy to remove it.the other things are quite normal as laproscopy report.one thing i want to add is that her weight is only 38.plz advice.
DeleteIf you have done the laparoscopy (PCOD is an ultrasound and hormonal diagnosis, not a laparoscopic one) and you have failed at least four IUI cycles, then the next treatment recommendation would be IVF.
DeleteI am from Nepal. I am 33 yearrs old.I have had 2 miscarriage,one with blighted ovum and one is spontaneous miscarriage. I am really desperate to try again but my doc suggested me to wait for 6 months, Is it necessary to wait?
DeleteHello. I had 3 miscarriage the last one on 1-5-2013 we want to have one more baby
ReplyDeleteYou need to see a fertility specialist and undergo testing for recurrent miscarriage.
DeleteHello,
ReplyDeleteI have been trying to have another child for the past 8 years. I have gotten pregnant several times without help and they have all ended in miscarriage. After my son was born in 2002 I decided to go with a copper iud for birth control. I had it removed 4 months later due to heavy and painful menstrual cycles. Since the removal, my cycles have not changed. My cycles are heavy and clotty. I have been to 2 different RE and have had rpl blood tests done and everything always comes back normal. I had a d&c and testing on the fetus which all came back normal as well. I am now 35 years old and would like to have one more child. I am married and haven't changed partners. My husband has also been tested and all is normal. My question is do you think something could have gone wrong with the iud or do you have any suggestions on what you think may be happening and how I can maintain a pregnancy?
Hello,
DeleteI can't give you any specific suggestions without a review of your medical records to see what tests have been done and whether there are any that have been missed.
Hi doctor,
ReplyDeleteIs there any difference in progesterone quality between endometrin and prometrium?
There is no difference except that Endometrin was made specifically for vaginal supplementation and Prometrium was not. You can use either one and they both work adequately.
DeleteHello, I'm 39 with a 19 year old. Been ttc on and off for 17 yrs. Have had 30 cps. Genetic tests done on me and dh, everything was normal. Never gotten pregnant on a medical cycle. I mc by 4 weeks. My uterus is normal. Was wondering what good will IVF do if the embryo has difficulty implanting? Also I've been on progesterone suppositories and injection, some months they work others the don't the biopsy has come back 9 days off. Havent been able to regulate anything or to find a real reason after all this time.
ReplyDeleteHi,
DeleteBecause of your age, you are at high risk for miscarriages. This is what we call the "age factor". A woman's eggs become more and more debilitated with age and so lead to increased chromosomal breaks and abnormalities.
IVF is the treatment of choice for recurrent pregnancy loss, especially if genetic testing is done on the embryos prior to implantation.
If the endometrial biopsies are still showing a lag in development after progesterone treatment, that means you need to increase the amount of progesterone.
Finally, there may be other causes of miscarriages including hormonal, genetic, anatomical, immunologic, infectious disease. All these need to be evaluated.
Hi Dr. Ramirez,
ReplyDeleteI am currently going through a chemical pregnancy on the first time I have gotten pregnant after trying for many months. I have had a short luteal phase but this past month when I got pregnant, I used soy (known as nature's clomid) and ovulated much earlier in my cycle. I've had the CD 3 and CD 21 day tests and everything was normal except for a very slightly elevated (4.005) TSH (which I am now taking synthroid for).
My question is about a weak lh surge or weak ovulation. I have been using opk's twice a day using several different brands for the past 4 months and have never had a positive (I see faint lines but never as dark as the control line). I am still ovulating as my progesterone was 10.7 on CD21 and I get a temp. rise every month. Could the negative opk's indicate a weak ovulation? Could this be the cause of my difficulties getting pregnant and chemical pregnancy?
If so, would clomid be the fix for this?
I really would appreciate your opinion.
Thanks.
Hello,
DeleteThere is no such thing as a "weak" ovulation. Ovulation either occurs or it doesn't occur. Your mid luteal progesterone levels indicate that you ovulated so the ovulation predictor kits are probably defective.
Early pregnancy losses occur for embryo abnormalities, implantation problems, endometrial problems or hormonal problems. An reduced thyroid level could certainly be a cause for an early miscarriage, as could inadequate progesterone levels (luteal phase defect).
Good Luck
Hi, i am 30 years old and having been trying for a baby for nearly 4 years. I have suffered from 2 miscarriages about 2 years ago both at about 8 weeks gone. After the miscarriages i have struggled to get pregnant again and my periods were all over the place, sometimes not having one for about 3 or 4 months. I was referred for tests including a lap and dye test. They found i had Polysticic ovaries which could be reason for irregular periods. I was prescribed clomid and for the 1st cycle it didnt work as i didnt have any mature follicles. The 2nd cycle was alot better and i was told i had 1 mature follice and was then given an injection to help me ovulate. I did a pregnany test the day of missed period and there was a very faint line i then did a digital test a couple of days later which showed i was pregnantc 1-2 weeks. A few days later i started suffering from cramps and had a brown discharge. I decided to do another test which then showed i wasnt pregnant. As you can imagine i was really confused, was i pregnant or not?? I have now started bleeding heavily.
ReplyDeleteMy first question is have i suffered from a chemical pregnancy and is this bleeding classed as a proper period? Secondly should i start my next round of clomid? I'm worried if i dont take it then i might not have another period for a few months. Any advice would be appreciated.
Hello,
DeleteIt is possible you had a chemical pregnancy but without having done a blood pregnancy test, that cannot be confirmed. I don't try home pregnancy tests as my definitive test.
If you have PCOD, that means you have an ovarian dysfunction that is causing a lack of ovulation. That is the reason why you skip periods. In order to get pregnant, you have to undergo a treatment called ovulation induction, which is what you did with the Clomid. It can also be done using other medications such as Latrezole or the injectables. You will have to use one of these. I would also recommend that the Clomid dose be increased since you only had one follicle. Finally, if done correctly (and your doctor knows what he/she is doing) almost all fertility specialists will supplement the postovulatory luteal phase with progesterone to prevent a chemical pregnancy or miscarriage that occurs because of inadequate progesterone (luteal phase defect).
Good Luck
Hello,
ReplyDeleteIt sounds like you may have had a chemical pregnancy. I might recommend that if your doctor is going to prescribe Clomid for you that you should have him do a scheduled pregnancy test 10-14 days after the time of ovulation. It is more reliable that a urine test AND it is good information to know because you know the cycle worked.
In addition, it is standard to use progesterone supplementation with Clomid cycles to help the luteal phase, which is important for implantation and maintenance of the early pregnancy. You didn't mention that you did this but if your doctor knows anything about infertility, that is, he is a specialist, then he should know this too.
Finally, I would recommend that you take low dose aspirin (81 mg) with your cycles.
PCO is a difficult problem to treat adequately and you really need to seek out a doctor that IS a specialist and has experience in treating it.
Good Luck
Hello,
ReplyDeleteIm 27 yrs old and my husband is 33 yrs . We ve been trying for 2 yrs now unsuccessfully and decided to do an iui in november . I was tested before the iui and sperm count was normal and my blood works and hsg was normal .That cycle was a failure . The next cycle after that i got my periods on time , but started bleeding 2 weeks later and my hcg was 60 . I was told that i had a chemical oregnancy . 2 months since then i ve been trying naturally with no luck . Im confused about what should be my next step . Iui or ivf . Im extremely stressed and worried with all these things .I would like to know what sould be my next step . Thank you for your time and help
Hello,
DeleteIf you had a "natural" chemical pregnancy after your first IUI, that shows that you have the ability to get pregnant by natural means. IUI is a "natural" treatment because it relies on the body to do all the steps naturally. My recommendation would be to continue trying with IUI. I don't think you need to do IVF yet (unless you want ot get pregnant fastor). Keep in mind that because IUI is a "natural" treatment, it can take several attempts (up to four) just as it can take several months for a normal woman to get pregnant when trying naturally. We don't recommend more than four attempts because statistically most women will be pregnant by four attempts. Since you got pregnant previously, you would start your count over. If you fail after four attempts, then you should proceed to IVF.
Good Luck
Hi, I am 29 years old and I have had 1X ICSI and 1X FET and despite having transferred excellent day 5 blastocysts no success. My FS proceeded to do blood tests (to rule out immunological issues) and did a hysteroscopy and D&C. The results came back normal for the blood tests and other than a thick fundus and 3X 1-2mm fibroids; my uterus appears to be normal. So nothing was found to explain why the embryos did not implant.
ReplyDeleteThe protocol that my fertility specialist (FS) followed for my IVF is as follows: Lupron (1X per day), Gonal F (3X per day), Ovitrelle (trigger) and cyclogest (started taking them the day of trigger). My FS retrieved 10 eggs of which all fertilised.
FET: Estrofem and cyclogest
Are there any supplements that I can take or is there anything that can be added to my next cycle that might help with implantation issues?
Kind regards
A
Hello,
DeleteImplantation is dependent on many factors including the embryo, uterine lining, hormonal support, blood flow, immunological factors and embryo transfer technique. The latter tends to be the most common reason for implantation failure and should not be overlooked. That is why pregnancy rates vary from doctor to doctor and clinic to clinic.
There are many different protocols that can be used in cases of implantation failure, too many to mention here. That would require a thorough review of your medical records and a consultation, which you can schedule via my website. You might also want to read through what I have written about implantation failure within this blog.
Good Luck
Dr. Ramirez,
ReplyDeleteI recently had a chemical pregnancy and I was wondering if I should wait a regular cycle before we continue trying to conceive or if we can continue right away? I don't really want to wait as it took us 8 months just to have the chemical pregnancy, but I don't want to risk causing any problem or causing another chemical pregnancy. Are there any risks / benefits associated with either waiting or trying right away? - Thank you
There is no reason to wait. Recent studies have shown that a woman's chances of pregnancy increase within the first 6 months after a miscarriage. Once your cycles return, you can start trying for pregnancy again.
DeleteGood Luck
Dear Dr. Ramirez,
ReplyDeleteI am 42 y old single currently leaving in indonesia.
i had my first failed IVF in november 2012, protocol antagonist, 2 eggs grad A only, both fertilized and both were returned on day 2(4cells).Unfortunately did not work. I have planned my next one in march after a DHEA suggested treatment, but on february 20th my menses arrived very early (20 days only cycle).
I have informed my doctor via email (in india) and she suggested to take baby pill to control the next cycle, after 2 days i have read on the net that the combination of DHEA and birth control pill was not recommended, so I ask my doctor and she agree and told me to stop the pill. Today 28 february I am bleeding again...
My questions are:
Is DHEA recommended for my case of diminished ovarian reserved ? Could it improve my chances ? Do you recommend it to your patients?
Was it a mistake to take the pill for this 2 days and then stop it and could that compromise my chances for my next IVF mid march ?
Should I delay the next IVF to april to Have better chances ?
Could you give me any advice to improve my possibility to make this dream come true ?if you need any more info please do not hesitate to ask me.
I am so happy i could find your web and being able to ask you directly.
Thank you for your help
Should I delay the treatment to april ?
I am well aware that it will not be easy to to get pregnant, but I am not ready to give up for now.
Hello,
DeleteDHEA and OCP's do not interfere with eachother and are used together in IVF cycles. DHEA is one of those medications that many clinics try because they can and not because there is any medical evidence supporting its use. I do not use it. At this point in time, there is nothing proven that can increase egg quality. There has been a study showing that taking CoQ 10 600 mg per day increases egg quality in mice but human studies have not been done. However, because there are not side effects to CoQ10, I prescribe it to my patients.
I think you need to find a BETTER doctor. Your chances of getting pregnant because of your age will be heavily depedent on the skill of the doctor, the laboratory you use AND the medication protocols, as well as, obtaning a good egg. Part of my reason for recommending this is I have not heard of ANYONE doing a D#2 embryo transfer for over 15 years! That makes me very skeptical of your doctors' credentials.
You should always skip a month between IVF cycles because of the medications effects on the ovaries.
Good Luck.
Hi Doctor, I'm 41 year old. I did two IVF so far, both with good embryos (grade 1 no fragmentation, 8 cell), put back in total 7 embryos, all BFN, not even a chemical. My RE said good looking embryos doesn't mean they are normal. So next time he wants to up my dose and get more eggs. Since I have never got pregnant (including no m/c), I feel my uterus may not be receptive to implantation even though my lining has always good at 11-12mm. So I did the Yale EFT, it came back mildly abnormal and I was told the only reasons could be either endometriosis or too much stress. I then did a laparoscopy and found 0 endo. In my case, do you think I have uterus problem? or just need to keep trying and find that golden egg that not only look good but is also normal? Thanks a lot, -CP
ReplyDeleteHello,
DeleteYour doctor is correct in that the method that we use to "evaluate" embryos at this time is not complete. The "grade" that we give is based on external appearance. I tell my patients that it basically means "beautiful, normal, ugly". In reality it is not evaluating the most important parts of the embryos which are internal. We don't have the technology for that. Based on your age, you are at increased risk of egg and embryo problems, such as genetic defects, that could lead to a lack of pregnancy. What this means is that you are trying to find the one "golden" egg within a basket of bad eggs. Therefore, it can take several attempts before it is found.
I don't necessarily think you have a uterine problem if it has already been evaluated by ultrasound and hysteroscopy. If the endometrium is not developing well enough (lack of b Integin) then the treatment is to increase the progesterone. I use both injectable and vaginal progesterone to cover this. If you have good embryos, then the only other factor to consder is transfer technique has this has a definite effect on pregnancy rates.
There are other things that can be done but these are highly controversial and based on individual doctor preferences.
Good Luck
Hello, Doctor,
ReplyDeleteI am a 28 year old woman and I am currently going through my third miscarriage in 5 months. I have 5 children, ages 7, 5, 4, 2 & 1. Inbetween each full term pregnancy I had a chemical pregnancy (except between the last two full term pregnancies). Usually I have a cp, and 2-3 weeks later I get pregnant again and go full term. This past November I had a chemical pregnancy. A few weeks later, had a period, then found out that I was pregnant again in the beginning of January. I was 8w3d when I miscarried. About 5 weeks after miscarrying I am currently bleeding following a chemical pregnancy.
My question is, what do my husband and I do now? Should we seek testing? We had 5 children just fine, why would I be having problems now? Is there anything we could do on our own without going to see a doctor to help me stay pregnant? If we go to a doctor, should we see a RE? Thanks so much for sny input.
Hi,
DeleteBased on your previous successes, I don't necessarily think that you need an evaluation as yet and would recommend you continue trying. Even in patients with recurrent miscarriages, studies show that the majority will eventually be successful.
If it is of significant concern for you, of course you could have a recurrent pregnancy loss evaluation done. You would need to see a fertility specialist for that.
Good Luck
Hello Doctor Ramirez,
ReplyDeleteMy Wife (32) and Me (33) are trying to concieve from 5 months and we have 3 chemical pregnancies all between 4 and 5 weeks. We have positive pregnancy test and the symptoms progress well the all of a sudden 2 days before the regular period would occur the symptoms reduce in intensity. My wife have 26 day regular menstural cycle, she is on the thin side and no known health issues for both of us. From your experience what would be the most often cause of these type of miscarriagies? Also do you expect the age and poor egg quality to be a factor in our case?
Thank you very much and gongratulations for the great blog!
Hello,
DeleteThe most common reason for recurrent miscarriages is because of a genetically abnormal embryo, but there are other causes as well. One of the causes is hormonal abnormalities. My recommendation is to see an infertility specialist and undergo an evaluation for recurrent pregnancy loss. Treatment might be as simple as using progesterone to provide enough supplementation in the luteal phase. I would suggest that she take 1 tablet of low dose aspirin (81mg) each day, in addition to prenatal vitamins with folic acid. There are other medications that can help as well, but these all depend on the cause of the problem.
Good Luck
hi dr me 26 my husband 28 we had 1 chemical pregnancy in ths last september we are trying to concieve since 2ytears his all lab work normal but i had long cycles and altered fsh lh ratio on day2 3.6:7 and no mature follicle on day 12 scan follicle size max 12mm so i was put on clomid my ovaries responded on clomid 150mg one successful cycle ended in chemical pregnancy since then i have taken 3 other cycles but still failed i use to have hcg trigger on day 10 when my follicle is 20 or 25mm now what to do i also took hormonal support for possible luteal phase defect i am trainee at obs/gynae had stressed life and cant afford ivf and living in city with less facilities should i continiue same treatment or should bother for other options thanks in advance ........emotional girl from india waiting for reply
ReplyDeleteHello,
DeleteIf you had a chemical pregnancy using Clomid ovulation induction with timed intercourse then it showed that treatment can work. 1-4 treatments is probably not enough, but if you've done 6 or more and still not had a repeat pregnancy, then there is something else that is going on. At that point you would have the options of pursuing a completion of the infertility evaluation, such as laparoscopy, or move to the next level of treatment which is IUI. You or your doctor also can re-evaluate the current treatment strategy and maybe increase the stimulation to increase the number of eggs ovulated (up to 3). Keep in mind that the treatment you are using is not "magic". Rather, it is just enhancing your natural chances, so just like trying naturally, it can take time.
Good Luck
thanks dr for your advise one other question in my mind is that how we count the cycles of clomid one cycle is equal to one menustral cycle or other please clear my idea about that my senior told me different one other thing that in this cycle i havent taken treatment and on day 12 i had my scan it showed follicle of 16mm not round so sonologist informed me thst ovulation may have taken place earlier so can it happen and i had 16mm size follicle without treatment so can this be possible for my conception
DeleteHello Again,
DeleteI didnt' quite understand you questions so I hope my answers will suffice.
One clomid cycle is one menstrual cycle. That is, the period of time from one period to the next.
The second piece of advice I can give you is to not believe what you hear from an ultrasonographer (ultrasound technician). If you have a 16 mm follicle and it was at the correct time of the cycle, then there is the possibility of getting pregnant.
Good Luck
Dear Dr. Ramirez,
ReplyDeleteGreetings from Toronto! I am a 43 year old female who is undergoing fertility treatments in the United States. I have had one chemical pregnancy and one blighted ovum through the use of donor eggs and IVF. My question is, are both these situations indicative of implantation? Am I implanting properly or is the chemical pregnancy and blighted ovum a result of implantation problems? What can be done to avoid a miscarriage again? I am in the process of doing immune testing and other tests have shown everything to be in "order" with me. With the blighted ovum, it was discovered that I had very low progesterone after my two week wait and positive test result. The first time with the chemical, my progesterone was never mentioned so I am not sure. Please let me know what you think and thank you so much for holding this forum!
Hello from California,
DeleteThe fact that you had two pregnancies in two tries is a significant finding. Keep in mind that unlike popular impression, IVF CANNOT make you pregnant. . . it can only give you the OPPORTUNITY to become pregnant. This is because IVF only accomplishes 7 of the 10 steps required to get pregnant. The last three steps are "natural" steps in the hand of God. So your chemical pregnancy and blighted ovum are signs that the last three steps occurred. That means implantation happened and means that IVF can work!
Now the question is WHEN you will be ultimately successful and is there something you can do to expedite that. Well, no one can answer the first question. As to the second question, that can't be really answered because we don't know what caused the two abnormal pregnancies. In most cases it is a genetic problem in the embryo. Was your donor genetically tested? In most cases it is a spontaneous genetic abnormality that occurred at the time of embryo division. We can help that by doing preimplantation genetic diagnosis (PGS) but I'm not sure I would recommend that. Nature can do the same thing although there is an emotional cost.
I think that my recommendation is to keep trying and either continue to use the same donor or change donors. The progesterone level (blood test) is not that signficant but certainly one thing that you can do is increase the progesterone (injection plus vaginal). Lack of progesterone usually will cause the lack of implantation or a chemical pregnancy. "Blighted ovums" are an embryo development problem and not due to progesteron.
Sorry for the long answer. There is more I could discuss but this is not the proper forum for that. If you want a more comprehensive second opinion, we can do that by an email, Skype or Telephone consult in my office and I would need to review your records.
Don't give up.
Good Luck
Hi Dr Ramirez,
ReplyDeleteMy husband and I had a successful IUI using 50mg of Clomid and progesterone support to conceive our daughter, now 2 years old. I was 26 at the time of pregnancy and am now 28. All tests were normal, sperm counts were good. We are trying again and have now been unsuccessful for 3 IUI attempts, now using 100mg of Clomid. I responded well with 2-3 mature follicles each time and sperm counts over 15 million each time. Last attempt was 69mill post wash, and on 11dpiui I had a positive home pregnancy test (I did take Ovidrel, but tested out the trigger and was negative by 8-9 dpiui. It was lighter on 12pdiui, and eventually I had a beta of <5. My question is should we continue with IUI? I know the success rate drops after 3 attempts. I am not opposed to doing IVF if we need it, I have just been hesitant since we had a successful IUI, no diagnosable fertility conditions, and now a chemical pregnancy. I would appreciate your thoughts. Thank you.
Hi. In general, IUI should be tried up to four attempts to achieve success. This is because it is completely depenedent on the natural processes to achieve the pregnancy. Statistically, after four attempts the chances of pregnancy go from 25% per attempt down to less than 1%. This drop is attributed to other possible causes for the infertility. At that point, it is recommended to proceed to IVF. The other option is to complete the infertility evaluation, including doing a laparoscopy, if you want to continue trying by natural means.
DeleteHello! I am 29 and just recently experienced my first chemical pregnancy last week. We have been trying for about 6-7 months prior and I was put on Clomid. I took that for 4 cycles and became pregnant. I was due to start period on 02/17/13, but it never happened. About a week after I started spotting and ended up in the ER where they told me to follow up with my DR on Monday. After going to the DR every other day for blood tests of beta hcg and progesterone I was informed my levels were dropping and expect a miscarriage. I was dismissed as having a chemical pregnancy. Im not sure where to go from here. Should I continue treatment with Clomid on my next regular cycle? Also, if I was treated earlier with progesterone would that have helped save the pregnancy? Soooo confused! When can we begin trying again. DR also said at lease we know I can get pregnant now?????
ReplyDeleteThanks for your time and expertise!
---confused
Hello,
DeleteThe rule of thumb is to wait until your next natural period to begin trying again, whether with or without Clomid. The pregnancy has to resolve and the ovaries have to reset. Once that occurs, ovulation will occur and if you don't get pregnant, you will have a period. You can continue to have intercourse and sometimes a natural pregnancy will occur in the month following a miscarriage. Recent studies have shown that the fertility is heightened in the first six months after a miscarriage or pregnancy.
Good Luck
In addition, normally Progesterone is used to supplement the Luteal phase when a Clomid cycle is done. You might want to read the section on how I do Clomid cycles to see how I recommend that it be done properly. If not done that way, not only could you be wasting time and money, but you are not optimizing your chances of getting pregnant per month. Make sure you find someone who has the knowledge and competence to give you the best care.
DeleteGood Luck
I have been pregnant three times in my 6 months of trying. All biochemical. I have two naturally conceived term children with no complications. One at 32 and one at 35 years of age. I am now trying for a third at age 38. I have long 31-35 day cycles with an 11-12 day luteal phase. I ovulate on day 19-24. I did not have luteal phase PMS type symptoms when I first stopped bcp, but for the past three months, I have had strong symptoms, like sore breasts and nipples and crankiness. I also get yeast infections during the first part of the luteal phase only in months that I am pregnant. I don't know if that is coincidental or indicative of a hormonal issue. I also have diarrhea in the luteal phase in months where I am pregnant. I have symptoms prior to ovulation like sore breasts and crankiness. I have a short window of LH surge. I usually get no line on opk at all, not even faint. Then at ovulation, the LH will rise and peak and fall in about 24 hours. It is easy to miss the positive opk because it is so short lived. So can you tell from symptoms if I have a weak ovulation or hormonal problems associated with these early pregnancy losses. What is the likely cause, where should I begin with testing or treatment.
ReplyDeleteWithout doing a full evaluation for recurrent pregnancy loss, I can't tell you exactly what is going on but there are two possible issues I can see: (1) your age increases your chance of miscarriage (as high as 50%) and (2) since you lose the pregnancy so early, the possibility of a luteal phase defect must be considered (hormonal). You can't treat the age issue, but LPD can be treated with supplemental progesterone. I would recommend that you consult a fertility specialist for an evaluation and proper treatment.
DeleteGood Luck
Dr. Ramirez,
ReplyDeleteI'm 39 years old.
1. I had a miscarriage last year from nature pregnancy. I saw hearbeat at first but the emproy stopped growing at 6 weeks. I had a D/C, the emproy tested as abnormal chromosome.
2. Later last year, I had a chemical pregnancy again from a nature pregnancy. I got HPT positive from multiple test kits, but in a week, got my period, HPT tested negative.
3. This year, my first IVF just ended a chemical pregnancy. I transfered 2 day 5 blasts--4BB and 3CC, day 9 after transfer, HCG tested 23, 3 days later, dropped to 10.
My question is: did the implantation happen for the two chemical pregnancies, or they happened but didn't sustain? what tests should I do next, immue system related, or PGD/CCS on day 5 blasts if I do another IVF?
Thanks a lot for your time!
Hello,
DeleteIf you get a positive pregnancy test that is evidence that implantation occurred. If you don't have implantation, you won't get a positive bHCG.
The specimen you got from the D&C showed what the main problem is and this is expected at your age. You have what we call the "age factor" which means that most of your eggs are now debilitated leading to poor embryo quality and increased risk of chromosomal breakage a the time of cell division. This leads to a genetically abnormal embryo that can't survive. Thus miscarriage occurs. IVF can help because you have more eggs to work with but there is no technology that can make bad eggs better. You have to just keep trying in the hopes of finding the perfect egg. You have shown that you can get pregnant. Now you just need to find the perfect embryo.
Good Luck
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ReplyDeleteHi dr,
ReplyDeleteI am from qatar. Dr we r trying to get pregnent for last 7 months.and i take clomid .I was pregnent in feb and i didnt know that i am pregnent . on time of my period i got spotting and i thought it was my period,i spotted for 4 days and i called my dr.and she told us to have home pregnancy test.. and it came out possitive..and i did a blod test and it was weakly possitve..and my doc ask me to do a beta hcg test and it came out possitive 186 and i reapet in two days and it was doubling 356 and after one week it go down to 2 .and we hve a tvs and found nothing....and she told we lose it. And after that i have 3.5. Weeks of bleeding which is told its normal.
Dr, .my first question is...is this a chemical pregnancy?
When my bleeding stops. After 2.5. Weeks i did a opk and it came out a strong positive result.
Dose ovulation take place straight away after miscarriage?
Is there any chance to concive straight after miscaariage?
We want get pregnent again soon!!!
We r eagarly waiting for ur vaulable reply..
Thanks
Nilufar
Hello,
DeleteWhat you just went through is called a "Chemical pregnancy." An ultrasound would not have shown anything because the pregnancy did not grow enough.
In terms of the OPK, yes, once the pregnancy resolves completely, the ovary will reset and ovulation can occur. Many women have gotten pregnant soon after a miscarriage. In fact, a recent study showed that women have increased fertility in the 6 months following a pregnancy or miscarriage.
Good Luck
I am 34 year old female. I will be 35 in three months. Four years ago I went to my obgyn and we started iui with hcg shot. The first iui I got pregnant right away and I lost my baby when I was seven in half weeks along. We try again but failed to get pregnant. My obgyn took a better job out of state and we was told to go see a ivf doctor. Four years latter we went to see a ivf doctor. We went to Ypsilanti MI Ivf docor. The office is out skirts of Ann Arbor MI. Doctor Shamma did a ultrasound and put me on Letrozole 2.5 mg for five days. The doctor toldd me he wasn"t going to give a hcg shot with my iui because he believe the hcg shot should be only use if I am doing ivf. I never herd not getting the hcg because it is use as a trigger to release eggs. I am wondering what are my chances to get pregnant doing iui without having hcg shot?
ReplyDeleteHCG is often used to trigger ovulation for IUI, but that is not an absolute requirement. Since IUI is a "natural" treatment option, your body will often trigger on its own (called the LH surge). The HCG is justto make sure that there is a trigger for ovulation. I do ALL my IUI's with an HCG trigger just to make sure.
DeleteAlso keep in mind that Letrozole is similar to Clomid in how it works. One is not better than another. It is just an alternative.
Good Luck
Hi,
ReplyDeleteI am 28 years female, trying to conceive since past 2 yrs with my husband. In the beggining we tried 6 cycles with clomid. Although i ovulated with it but never conceived. Starting from July 2012 we tried IUI and faced 3 Chemical pregnancies till December 2012. In Jan 2013 I went for Laparoscopy and found my right tube was blocked(hydrosalpinx), thus got that removed. After that I tried naturally 2 cycles with no luck and another IUI. The IUI resulted a positive bHCG and in ultrasound as well we saw the sac which measured 4 weeks. But on the very same day when I had Ultrasound done, the bHCG got decreased and it again was a Chemical pregnancy. I fail to understand what went wrong in this cycle. Was it the egg, or endometrium or uterus or my immunity or what is it that is stopping the embroy to grow. I was on progestrone supplements. Also 2 days before i went for ultrasound i was having severe cold and cough and fever upto 99.5 deg. Could that be a cause of this Chemical preg. Please help me understand why this is happening with me and is there any hope for cases like me to have a baby?
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DeleteHello Doctor,
ReplyDeleteI am from India and 28 yrs of age. I have been trying to conceive with my husband since past 2 years now. We have been married since 3 yrs and i have been diagnosed with PCOS before marriage itself. Thus i was on Krimson 35 for 3 yrs.After marriage i took Krimson for 1 yr as we were not planning intially,
After that i stopped taking it and for 2 months tried naturally without any medication. After that we I was on clomid for 6 cycles in which i ovulated but did not concieve. Then i went for 3 IUI with Ijectibles whjich were Menagon and Decapeptyl.
All 3 IUIs resulted in Bio chemical pregnancy.After first bio chemical doctor analysed some blood reports and it was found that I had Hyperhomocysteinemia for which again some more injections were given and the level came to normal. But the next 2 IUIs again resulted in biochemical pregnancy.Thus in January 2013 we decided to go for Laparoscopy, in which we found that my right tube was completely blocked(hydrosalpinx). Thus a decision was taken and the tube was removed. My left tube and both ovaries are normal. After laparoscopy we tried naturally but with no luck. Then in April 2013 we went for another IUI which resulted in a positive blood test.In our first ultrasound we were able
to see the sac which measured 4 weeks but on the very same day the HCG level dropped. We are very confused as to why this happened this time when everything seemed fine. What else could be the reason for another biochemical pregnany.We are not able to decide what to do next. Our doctor suggest to go for another IUI because we have moved one step further and saw the sac for the first time.
Please suggest what should we do at this point and what possibly could be the cause of these multiple biochemical pregnany.
Is IVF the solution for me or shall i again try my luck with IUI.
Also my AMH is 3.8. IS this at the lower side and am I at a risk that my eggs will get exhausted due to the strong medicines and injections?
Please help us. Your opinion will be of great help to us at this point.
Thanks,
Mrs. KD.
Hello Doctor,
DeleteYour suggestion and opinion will be of great help to me to decide what to do next. Hoping for a reply from your end.
Thanks in advance.
Based on three miscarriages, you should undergo a recurrent pregnancy loss evaluation prior to proceeding with any other treatments. Miscarriages occur because of genetic, anatomical, immunologic, infectious disease and hormonal problems. Each of these need to be evaluated and there is specific testing for each.
DeleteHello Doctor.I am 34 and we have been trying to get pregnant for the past 5 months.I had some hormonal testing done that showed LSH 12 and AMH 0.6.I had two faint positives this month just before my period was due and then two negatives.My period is delayed by two days.I think it could be a chemical one.Also should i seek professional help or is it too soon?
ReplyDeleteI don't think it is too soon to see a specialist. I'm a little worried about the elevated FSH and decrease AMH which means that time may be an issue, but nothing more.
DeleteHello Dr.
ReplyDeleteI Just discovered that I had chemical pregnancy, I am 33 and am trying for second one. I'm tring since last 5 months but never got success. lately when I got it was not through. I am much worried becasue I could find no reason. I try to figure out was it becasue I used to workout? My cycle is ususally 24-26 days, So I tried early week too Please Help.
Up to 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage and chemical pregnancies are a form of miscarriage. Therefore, I would not worry about this one pregnancy and keep trying. Statistics show that you will eventually succeed.
DeleteHi, I've had 2 chemicals in the past 2 months (April at 4 weeks 6 days starting and the other at 4 weeks 5 days just last week). TSH is normal x 1 year, on Synthroid 50 mcg daily (started initially 2 years ago due to subclinical hypothyroid w/ TSH running in the 4 range). Last time, OB tested antibodies (although not sure which ones) and were neg. Thyroid antibiodies negative in the past. I've never had an U/S. Do you think it is time to start additional testing? I'm 32 and healthy, hubby is 33 and healthy, on prenatals, normal weight, etc. No known genetic factors except hubby does not know any paternal history. I stopped birth control in November 2012, waited 3 cycles (advised to do this since I had no menses on it), got pregnant the 3rd month of trying resulted in first chemical, then waited one normal cycle as advised, then just got pregnant again this past month resulting in 2nd chemical. My OB appt is not until next week and I am just wondering what to expect and what the possible issues are and whether or not we should start to do some testing.
ReplyDeleteThanks!
Hello,
DeleteThe answers to your questions are already posted within this subject post. At this point, we would not consider you to have a recurrent pregnancy loss problem so a complete evaluation is not yet required. Statistically, you will eventually be successful. You might want to ask your doctor to prescribe progesterone supplemenation vaginally to start after ovulation. It's a simple treatment, innocuous and could potentially solve the problem.
Good Luck
Hi DOC,
ReplyDeleteI have had my tube test back in 2009 and both my tubes were fine. We have been trying for a baby for last 6 years but no results. I have had 2 IUIs already done. My tests are all fine and no faults found so it is purely unexplained reasons. Should I go for laparoscopy and then try IUI, are the chances more with lap for IUI or should we go for IVF with Hysteroscopy
Hello,
DeleteI can't advise you on which is the better option with the limited information you've given. I don't know what tests have been done and what tests have not yet been done. If you look on this BLOG you'll see a post regarding the basic infertility evaluation.
In general, if you don't get pregnant by four IUI attempts, then statistically your chances drop drastically. For that reason, we recommend proceeding to IVF after four attempts. Of course, you don't have to wait for four to proceed to IVF. You can decide to move on sooner. If you are going to do IVF, laparoscopy is not required, so some patients will skip the LSC because it is a surgery and they don't want to take the risk.
Good Luck
Dear Doc,
ReplyDeleteim from Africa 22years old n DH is 27.
I have gone through 2 blighted ovums in the past 6 months,went through all testings(sugar,thyroid,toxoplasma,rubella)all came back negative.
The doc jus said i should ttc immediately but i really want to know the cause that caused my previous miscarriages.
i have not been tested for blood clotting disorder or genetic testing.
im planning to take baby asprin 75mg from next cycle(i suppose it wouldnot hurt)
im currently on prenatal(zincovit) 5mg folic acid everyday.
i dont seem to have trouble getting pregnant..problem is maintaining the pregnancy past 12 weeks.
you can also suggest protocols that i can try.
im desperate to have a baby.
thanks.
Please advise
Hello,
DeleteI've comprehensively explained the protocol I use in this Blog post. Please review it again. I also explain the possible causes of miscarriage that need to be evaluated for.
Good Luck
thanks doc.
ReplyDeleteI forgot to say i have a cycle of 25-26.
Please suggest a progesterone supplement.
should i start taking the baby asprin from now coz im planning to ttc from my next cycle or do i wait to get my mp n then start taking the baby asprin??
Regards
You can start the aspirin now. I use Endometrin or Crinone for progesterone supplementation. There are other options as well and will be based on your doctor's preference. Some doctors use injectable progesterone in oil.
DeleteHello Doc,
ReplyDeleteAm 31 year old trying to concieve for more than a year now. I have been on clomid and HCG trigger shot last two cycles. First cycle ended with a bfn so I requested my doctor to order a HSG for me that revealed that my left tube was blocked. My right tube was ok. My doc was monitoring my follicles and in the first cycle I ovulated on the left side and after HSG results it made sense why I dint concieve that cycle. In my second cycle, I was monitored and showed a mature follicle measuring 21X16 right side. I was then given a trigger shot. I tested after 16 dpo and got a positive HPT. I had a blood test that revealed a HCG of 19 and Progesterone of 2.3. Nurse said that it is dangerously low. I was then put on progesterone vaginal suppositories 200 mg every day on 22 dpo. After 4 days, I took a blood test and that said a HCG of 64. I was ordered another blood test for 3 days later when my HCG remained the same at 64 and Nurse said it is a chemical pregnancy. Am 26 dpo now and still havent got my periods but I continue to take progesterone 200 mg every day. Do I still have a chance to save our baby this cycle? What other options do you think I can go with after this cycle? Also, this is the first time I ever got pregnant so am emotionally lost now. Your advice is greatly appreciated!
The only way to know how the pregnancy is doing is to follow the bHCG levels and/or do an ultrasound. Considering that your bHCG did not rise previously, I would be worried that this is not a viable pregnancy and will end as a chemical pregnancy or miscarriage.
DeleteIf you are taking progesterone still, that could be the reason that you have not started your period yet. It is still supporting the pregnancy, whether a good pregnancy or bad pregnancy. The bleeding will not occur until you stop the hormones.
I'm 25 years old, a type 1 diabetic for 4 years now. My sugars were fine throughout my whole 5 week and 5 days pregnancy. I had severe constipation on Friday, called my nurse practitioner, he told me to drink 1/4 of a bottle of magnesium citrate plus a 100mg stool softener, if nothing changed, do it again in 4 hours. In an 8 hour time frame I had taken 1/2 of a bottle of magnesium citrate, and 200mg of the stool softener. It didn't help at all, and I miscarried the next morning. Could those OTC meds have possibly caused my miscarriage?
ReplyDeleteWell, this is a question that I cannot answer. There is no way to know what caused the miscarriage. Could it have been the excessive amount of laxatives? It is possible. Could it have been the total lack of sufficient knowledge by a nurse practitioner that give you insufficient advice instead of referring you to a real doctor? It is possible. Could it have been something wrong with the pregnancy that had nothing to do with the above? That's most likely based on statistics.
Deletehi dr, im an underground artisan electrician, i did ivf 3 months bag and i did my transplant yesterday n on clexane, i wanted an advise on how to care for my self till i do test and do u think underground work influenced my day 8 ivf transfer miscarriage, because this time im on 10 days sick leave due to my work condition of hard labor n walking to attend brake downs, and also doctor why isn't there any research done on woman working in the engineering field in mining. thank you for your response.
ReplyDeleteHello,
DeleteI'm sorry, I don't have any specific advice to give you. All the studies done so far have not shown any specific behavior to influence implantation or pregnancy rates. A normal person (not undergoing infertility treatment), will have implantation without knowing it has occurred and most will do just fine. Although we recommend light activity or rest, it is more for psychological reasons than actual physiological reasons.
In terms of why there are not specific studies on miners or persons working underground, I can't answer that but there are way too many job types for studies to be done on all of them. Are there no miners or underground workers getting pregnant? If that is the case, then maybe there should be studies to evaluate that.
Hi Dr. Ramirez, my husband and I have been trying to conceive. I took an early pregnancy test on September 1st and received a faint positive. My cycle was due to start on September 4th. I went to my doctor on September 4th and had a pregnancy test. On September 6th, I started bleeding. I called my doctor and he told me I had a chemical pregnancy. My cycle felt like it was coming but it never came. Two days ago, I felt like it was here but it was clear discharge (false alarm). I am now 2 days late. I took a pregnancy test and it's negative. My doctor wants to test my thyroid, prolactin, and progesterone on the 20th day of my cycle. Here's my question: is it common to have a late cycle after a chemical pregnancy?
ReplyDeleteSince a chemical pregnancy is a pregnancy, the menses would be delayed until the pregnancy ends. If the pregnancy test was negative, then a period should have started. It does not make sense if the pregnancy test was negative and a period did not start. It makes me wonder about the diagnosis of "chemical pregnancy."
DeleteHi Dr Ramirez,
ReplyDeleteI want to thank you for your work on this blog - it seems you are helping a lot of women in understanding the reasons causing early miscarriages. It can be a very sad and frustrating event, it helps to have some answers or at least a direction to look into!
I am writing to hear your advice on what I should do next. I've had 2 beautiful boys, aged 3 years and 18 months. I'm currently 37 years old and trying for a 3rd. Both pregnancies, I was very lucky at getting pregnant right away without any miscarriages or complications. Now, I am facing a very different situation. I have had 1 MC at 6 weeks and then 3 chemical pregnancies. For the 3rd chemical, we waited a few months before trying, but it didn't change anything. All times, I have my 'classic pregnant symptoms' and a positive test at 10 days past ovulation. Then symptoms go away and I start bleeding around 2 or 3 days later than my expected period. I have had the recurrent loss panel done with everything coming back normal. I have booked an RE and was wondering if I should address progesterone / lutheal phase questions with her? My thyroid has also been checked and it is in the normal range (tsh is low but t3 and t4 normal - been like that for years).
Would you have any advice on what to do next? I was reading on vitamins and fertility, any advice on this also?
Thanks again for your support!
Marie
Hello,
DeleteFirst, you need to understand that beause of your age, you are at increased risk of miscarriage due to spontaneous genetic abnormalities that occur in egg division. The good news is that most women with this problem will eventually be successful.
Second, your decision to see an RE is a good idea. They have more expertise in this matter than a regular gynecologist but be careful, because some RE's will automatically recommend IVF with preimplantation genetic screening (PGS).
Finally, if you have not been tried on low dose aspirin 81 mg per day taken daily starting now and progesterone supplementation in the luteal phase, these are definintely two things I would recommend doing ASAP. There are other medictions as well but that will depend on your doctor's recommendations.
Good Luck
Hi Dr Ramirez,
DeleteI just wanted to let you know that following your message, I got results from a series of blood tests. I discovered that I have the MTHFR 677T mutation and V-Leiden factor that showed up abnormal. With this information, my RE decided to put me (as you suggested) on an aspirin a day + vaginal suppositories of progesterone after ovulation. I addition, I've been taking vitamins.
I am crossing fingers but with these things, I am now 5 weeks pregnant! I am hoping that this one stays in. My Bhcg double time is very good and numbers are strong already.
Thanks again for your help,
Marie
Congratulations. With the positive MTHFR, I would also suggest that you increase your folic acid to 4 mg per day.
DeleteMy prayers are with you.
Hi Dr,
ReplyDeleteI am 32 and I had a stillbirth 12 years ago at 8 months pregnant. Test and Post Mortems were done but the docs couldnt find out any rhyme or reason. and now Im actively trying to TTC , I have never used birth Control. My husband is 50 and he has had 3 kids from his 1st marriage, And hes done a sperm count test and they turned out good. My Menstrual Cycles are all over the place ranging from 28 days to 41days. I presumed that i never ovulated on those long cycles. However my menstrual will be heavy for 1-2 days followed by light ( clots as well) menstrual usually last 5 days. I am actively using OPKs and have never really gotten a true Positive, usually the test line is only 50percent as dark as the Control line. But this month I have been monitoring my BBT and Cervical Position, my pre O temps were 36.1 , however 2 days ago it went down to 35.8 and stayed at that for 2 days, I also checked my cervical position its was high Open and soft and not like the usually low position ,but this happened on CD 9 on a 28 day cycle. LMP came on 16th OCT and the recent one on 14th Nov . If i really did ovulate on CD 9 why is my OPKS not picking up anything?? after that dip in temp it has spiked to 36.3 , I am also worried of these low temps could be an underactive thyroid as Im overweight too but I had a thyroid test done a few months back and e doc told me not to test again till next year, I m really desperate, what are the measure then i can take to concieve , I have included 3-5 servings of veg daily to help in the reproduction, and have made healthy changes to diet...I feel age is catching up..
You need to admit to yourself that you have an infertility problem. In addition, your ovaries are not functioning correctly as manifest by irregular menstrual cycles. Not only do you not have ovulation from time to time, but your hormones are probably out of sync. For these reasons, I recommend that you go see a qualified reproductive specialist.
DeleteHello Doctor,
ReplyDeleteI am 26 years old and trying to conceive from the past 4 years. I was tried with clomid, femera, IUI and had a laptroscopy identified as mild endometriosis with no success. My RE couldn't able to find any problem with me or my DH. We moved to IVF cycle and our first ivf cycle with 1 blast of day 5 transfer resulted chemical pregnancy. we have 5 blasts frozen with this cycle. I have thyroid and currently taking cynthroid 81mg. my first beta was 50 then 76 then it went to 66. My nurse was telling that they couldn't able to test anything since it is an early pregnancy. We are planning to move to FET cycle. What are all the tests you suggest us to make our next cycle successful and to avoid an emotional stress/rollar coaster? I am very much worried as my RE is going to move to next FET cycle without any testing/identifying the root cause.
Your question requires a consultation and review of your medical records so it is not possible for me to give you a list of tests that I would recommend not possible treatment. Sorry. If you want ot proceed to a formal consultation, I can do this via emial, Skype or telephone consult. Please go to my website and contact me to set up a consultation appointment. You will then need to send m copies of your records to review.
DeleteDear Doctor,
ReplyDeleteI am 38 years old and trying for my second child. My first is now 4 years old. Since early 2013 I have had irregular periods and have had to have Provera to induce my period twice. I had my last period on Nov 5th, received 50 mg of Clomid and ovulated around day 19. My doctors think I am having a chemical pregnancy as my first Beta was around 10.3 then 30, 50, 70, 160, 89 last week and now 130. I've had bleeding for the last 3 weeks and during the first week it was heavy, with clotting and a constant cramp on my one side for 1 week. I was worried about ectopic but two u/s's have shown nothing in the uterus or tubes. The bleeding is much less but still there. I'm worried about why the hcg is taking so low to go down, why it has now increased and also how quickly I will be able to start trying to conceive again. Any thoughts?
Certainly this is an abnormal pregnancy and, hopefully, it is a chemical pregancy with probably miscarriage. An ectopic is still possible but the proper course of treatment at this point is to follow you closely with bHCG levels. Even ectopic pregnancies can naturally miscarry and no intervention is required unless serious problems occur. Bascially, the bHCG will not go down until the pregnancy tissue either dies off or is expelled. If the bHCG's have not gone down yet, that means you have not yet miscarried. It can take a bit of time. Once the bHCG goes down completely, you can start trying again.
DeleteHi Dr. Ramirez-
ReplyDeleteI just turned 30 and am trying for my first child. I have had three chemical pregnancies in the three months that we have been trying. I had my salivary progesterone levels tested during my second CP and they were low (95 for a normal range of 120-150). On this third CP, I was on sublingual progesterone drops at 50mg per day after ovulation. My blood level was tested to be 37 ng/ml, which is in the second trimester range. However, the pregnancy did not stick. I am unsure of whether to try the suppositories at the higher dose or if this signifies that progesterone is not my problem. I have read literature that says oral progesterone does not transfer to the endometrial lining so it is ineffective in stopping recurrent early pregnancy loss. Any recommendations are greatly appreciated! I plan to start the 81 mg of aspirin this cycle, as well. Also, do you have an estimate of how long it take for your period to resume after discontinuing progesterone? Thank you so much! Your site is very helpful.
Hello. All the studies done regarding infertility show that progesterone is most effective given by intramuscular injection or vaginally. Oral progesterone has been shown to be an ineffective method.
DeleteOnce you stop the progesterone, assuming you developed an adequate lining to slough, you should start a period within 7 days.
Hey doctor,
ReplyDeleteMy name is kathleen. I have been TTC since 2008. In February of 2008 I had a miscarriage at 7 weeks pregnant. Then august 2009 I had labroscopy surgery and found out I have endo and continued to try for 2 years with no success. I have very regular periods can tell when they are about to come. We tried everything clomid with iui gondel f shots with iui nothing worked. Went to a re and she was the one who recommended the go del f shots. Had labroscopy surgery again in February of 2012 was on the depo prover a shot from march to September 2012 did clomid in October and didn't do iui because I had a big size cyst. So November 2012 just tried intercourse and bam December 2012 found out after 5 years of trying I was pregnant. I was on cloud 9. Everything was fine with the baby. The march 10th I went to the er with horrible pain found out I had kidney stones and they would pass on their own. They did then March 27th I woke up to what I thought was me peeing my pants. Well it ended up being me loading all my amniotic fluid. Went to doctors found out I did loss the fluids. Was admitted to the hospital. Where I found out I had an infection and my son was OK he was moving around in what fluid I had left. Was hooked up to an ivf that didn't help raise my fluid. So I was in the hospital for a week . Where on April 4th 3013 I delivered my 20w still born son. What killed him I got ecoli from something. To this day I am still hurting. In June of 2013 found I was pregnant numbers weren't doubling like they should. My highest number was 56 a few days later I ended up having a chemical pregnancy. December 2013 did a cycle with clomid and intercourse found out on January 7th 2024 I was pregnant Again. My levels where slowly going up. My first was 118 then 172 then 182 and finally 282 doctor again told me I'm having another chemical pregnancy, I asked why and he said I was tested in 2011 for antibodies and it was negative. And sometimes new expose of antibodys because there are so many they didn't test for. So my question to you is why does this keep happening? Is there anything I can do or take. I have yet to pass this clot for this chemical pregnancy. No spotting some cramps. I do have itching going on up there need to tell my doctor. Could it be possible this pregnancy is still find just the numbers are slower than most. Doctor also told me to start taking baby aspirin when I start trying again and something about hemprin when I do become pregnant again. Thank you for listening to my story hope to hear from you soon.
Kathleen
Hello Kathleen. At this point you have the diagnosis of recurrent pregnancy loss (RPL) and should undergo an evaluation for this. This evaluation includes anatomical testing, genetic testing, immunologic testing, infectious disease testing and hormonal testing. You should see a reproductive endocrinologist or infertility subspecialist for this evaluation and treatment options. Obviously getting pregnant is no longer the problem, but keeping the pregnancy is. That requires a different evaluation and intervention than an infertility workup.
DeleteDr. Ramirez,
ReplyDelete41 y/o female. Gravida 8, Para 7
Spontaneous Abortion: 11/27/2013 dx: blighted ovum
My Question: Should I start with; Aspirin 81mg now along with prenatal vitamins, following ovulation with a Progesterone Supplement?
Time is against me and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks Dr. Ramirez
-M
Hello. The most likely reason for your miscarriage is embryo "aneuploidy" or spontaneous genetic abnormality. That is what we refer to as the "age factor." There is nothing that can help with abnormal embryos except trying over and over again until you find a perfect one. Hopefully, there is still a perfect egg present in your ovaries. If you want to add aspirin and progesterone to your protocol, there is certainly no problem with that, since they are not harmful. You can go ahead and start the low dose aspirin at any time and take the progesterone after ovulation, as you mentioned.
DeleteGood Luck
Dear Khan,
ReplyDeleteThank you for contacting the Center for Human Reproduction.
Hi Doctor . Myself wife and I have went through 2 failed IUI's and one failed IVF. Really frustrated and confused !!!!
Our History: Semen analysis always showed good motility, count and morphology. My wife was diagnosed with fallopian tubes blockage (Both tubes) 2 years ago , for which we had a laparoscopic surgery last year to clear the blockage. we were told a small cyst was also found during laparoscopy. After laparoscopy doctor told us that they have opened the blocked tubes and every thing is OK now and pregnancy should occur if we try naturally. We tried naturally for one year but NO pregnancy!!! even two failed IUI's immediately after laparoscopy. Frustrated , we moved to different clinic for IVF a year later after laparoscopy. During IVF doctor told us that my wife Ovarian reserve very Poor. Hence they managed to produce a single embryo , which has success rate of 15 to 20%. That single embryo transfer went good. Everything looked good. The pregnancy tests were coming positive immediately after 5-6 days (don't know exactly )after embryo transfer. Later , after some days the pregnancy tests came Negative. Lost Pregnancy. My wife emotionally very much confused even me. As we still don't know what is actually causing the problem!!!!!!! we went through lots of pains, spent a lot without any results... After embryo transfer , doctor said the embryo reached the Blastocyst Stage and it actually failed during implantation. But my question is how did the doctor know embryo reached blastocyst stage after embryo transfer ??? Is it possible to know that?? the reason they say implantation failure could be because of endometriosis!!! Do you think that is true? Please let me know your views on this as we are in really confused and desperate state . Don't know what to do and where to go from here. Though my Sperm analysis was normal , do you think there is still any Sperm Issues?? Awaiting your highly valuable insight and advice.
Regards..
Hello, I don't know the meaning of the opening line but as to the rest, there is some good news that you have to realize. Without seeing the entire medical record, I can give too specific a response but given the fact that your wife had a chemical pregnancy (initial positive pregnancy tests that then went negative) is a sign that implantation occurred. In order for implantation to occur, the embryo has to develop to the blastocyst stage, hatch out of it's shell, attach to the uterine lining and the lining has to grow around the embryo. This also means that you wife can achieve pregnancy and it is just a matter of continuing to try before she is finally successful. One IVF cycle is often not enough because IVF is NOT perfect technology. It assists the natural reproductive process up to the last three steps.
DeleteImplantation failure is not related to endometriosis. The only possible sperm issues, that cannot be tested, is if there was some type of genetic abnormality in the sperm that fertilized the egg leading to a genetically abnormal embryo. However, there is not way to prevent or treat that. I don't think it is an issue. You don't mention your wife's age, but a woman's age has a significant effect on the viable of an embryo which can lead to chemical pregnancies and recurrent pregnancy losses.
My recommendation is to see this as evidence that you wife can get pregnant with IVF despite having a poor ovarian response. You need to keep trying.
Dear Dr. Ramirez,
ReplyDeleteI am 35 years old, had a chemical pregnancy in late 2010 followed by a healthy pregnancy and live birth in 2011. Just started TTC again and got pregnant in the first month, but sadly it turned out to be another chemical. Is it likely at this stage, with two miscarriages but a successful pregnancy in between, that there is some underlying problem, or is it likely just embryo chromosomal abnormality, which I realize would be exacerbated by my age? Would you recommend taking baby aspirin and progesterone supplements at this stage? If so, when do I start the progesterone (I know it is after ovulation but how many days, and is that confirmed using a OPK or charting BBT or does it matter)? My dr said I shouldn't start progesterone until after a positive pregnancy test but that didn't seem soon enough to me given my losses have been 2-3 days after my missed period/positive test.
Another question, I am currently nursing my two year old although she is down to a few minutes one time a day, and sometimes skips a day. I know the research generally shows that nursing doesn't contribute to miscarriage risk, but I wonder if in limited cases if a woman has borderline or low progesterone to begin with or other risk factors, if the hormonal changes caused by breastfeeding can contribute additional risk. On the other hand with nursing being so infrequent I don't feel that it is strongly affecting my hormone balance anymore. Any thoughts?
thanks in advance!
Hi. We don't consider a patient to have recurrent pregnancy loss until a patient has lost 3 consecutive pregnancies, not 3 total pregnancies. So at this point, I don't think you need any medical intervention. If you want to use low dose aspirin, that is fine. I would not recommend you take progesterone on your own without Physician direction or supervision.
DeleteAt this point, nursing should not be affecting your ability to get pregnant.
Hello, I am 35yrs old & trying to conceive for over a year. I had a daughter 9yrs ago no problem what so ever! I am 110lbs with a history of many kidney stones, but otherwise healthy. I have had 3 chemical pregnancies over the past year, the most recent occurring now. They all occurred about a week after receiving a positive hpt (4-5 weeks pregnant by lmp). This last cycle that just ended in a chemical was my first cycle on clomid 50mg. My OB prescribed the clomid. My progesterone was "normal" (they didn't tell me the exact number). Do you feel I should see a RE at this point? My OB seems to think we should just keep trying. Do you think it could be as simple as adding aspirin & progesterone to fix this? Also, do I have to wait another cycle before trying again? I can't imagine trying to prevent pregnancy this cycle, as long as we have been trying unsuccessful! If I had not of taken hpt I would of never known I was pregnant, which makes me wonder how many times this may of happened before that I don't know about. My cycles have always been irregular 29-43 days, usually ovulating days 19-20. However on this first clomid cycle I ovulated my earliest ever on day 14! Thank you in advance for any advice you may have.
ReplyDeleteI think it is time for you to see an RE or fertility specialisty because I don't think your Ob/Gyn is helping you. I do think that progesgesterone supplementation is required and use it for ALL ovulation induction cycles. You also need to undergo an evaluation to make sure there is not another problem going on.
DeleteHi doctor i done IUI today morning, doctor advised me to take miprogen vaginally for morning and night and aspirin orally.. But i wrongly kept aspirin tablet vaginally will it affect my IUI process, will i conceive this month.
ReplyDeleteNo. The aspirin can still be absorbed through the vagina. It will not affect your chances of pregnancy.
DeleteI have been trying for a child for about three years now,ive done 4 iui's and gone through several rounds of clomid and letrozole treatment.ive also had a failed ivf .i was diagnosed with sperm antibody issues and my husband has borderline poor motility..asthenopermatozoa something like that though his numbers are very high.im wondering what could be the cause of the failed ivf yet all my embryos were grade A and those that are frozen are grade A and B all in blastocyst stage.i produced 25 eggs using low protocol and almost got ohss my AMH is classified as optimal fertility and everything is normal.kindly assist.
ReplyDeleteI can't tell you exactly what caused the failure. First, I would need to review your medical records to see if anything in the cycle affected the chances and second, not all IVF cycles work. In my practice. 60% of patients get pregnant on their first attempt. This means that there is still an element of chance with IVF because it is not a perfect technology. There is no 100% pregnancy rate. This is not only because there are so many factors that can influence a cycle, such as embryo quality, transfer technique, lab quality, etc.; but also because the last three steps in the reproductive cycle: embryo emerging from its shell, attachment to the endometrial lining and lining engulfment of the embryo, are still natural processes. They are in the hands of God or Nature.
DeleteAs a side note, however, there have been numerous studies that have shown that in high responder patients (more than 20 follicles and retrieval of more than 20 eggs), the quality of the egg suffers and pregnancy rates decline. That could be a reason as well. In the next cycle your doctor needs to reduce the stimulation.
Dear Dr. Ramirez,
ReplyDeleteI am 28 years old, trying to get pregnant (naturally) for almost a year (no succesful pregnancies). I have had 3 (maybe 4, one could not be verified) chemical pregnancies, where bleeding always starts shortly after a positive home pregnancy test in early week 5. In the first two times hCG levels continued to increase until ~300, then dropped. Following a doctor's advice, in the third time, I took just one baby aspirin pill and one progesterone pill, both right after the positive result. This made a change in the sense that (while bleeding still started early), hCG levels continued to rise until 3000: but then dropped erubptly, and the ultrasound could still not show anything.
What could this different course of events mean? Could it indicate that taking aspirin earlier would help? Or would the change be a result of the progesterone? Or just coincidental (I find this a bit hard to believe since it felt so radically different)? We're trying again now and wish to find the best course of action.
Many thanks in advance
By definition, you have recurrent pregnancy loss. Low dose aspirin and progesterone certainly are treatments for this and could help, but it may not be treating the cause of the problem. Recurrent pregnancy loss occurs because of five possible defects: genetic, hormonal, immunologic, infectious and anatomic. These need to be tested. I would strongly recommend that you see a competent infertility specialist for this.
DeleteHi Dr Ramirez, I got married 5 months ago and have had a back to back m/c In March and May. First one being a chemical pregnancy..hcg 23 and started bleeding and the next 5-6weeks with the sac never seen on u/s.. hcg 3870. I am still in the process of miscarrying and I have been having fears on if I can ever have a baby. I am turning 25 next month and afraid of miscarrying again. What do you think I should do to prevent m/c? Everything looks normal in the ultrasound, I have a 23-30days period with premenstrual brown spotting 2-4 days before my period, my progesterone level is on the low normal and was on it during the second pregnancy and still could not save the pregnancy. I would really appreciate your advise. Thank You.
ReplyDeleteBy definition, you don't have recurrent pregnancy loss yet and the chances that you will have a successful pregnancy is still very high. There are three things you can do that might help: take a low dose (81mg) aspirin tablet each day, use a progesterone supplement vaginally beginning after ovulation and take a prenatal vitamin with at least 1 mg of Folate (folic acid).
Deletehi dr ramirez,
ReplyDeletei am married since 7 yrs....and trying to concive since 1st day..never got pregnant...diagnosed as hypothyroidism with mild elevated anti thyroid peroxidase antibody,natural killer cells normal.. on eltroxin 100,tried several cycles of clomid... hsg both tubes patent.hysterescopy done in 2013...pcr for tuberculosis positive took ATT for 6 months, then hsg in jan 2014...normal study...then 3 cycles of iui with gonal f...no success...husband semen analysis normal....why i cant get pregnant...may be implantation problem because of antithyroid anti body...can i add prednisolone and aspirin in my next iui cycle...if yes what is the dosage and from which day to start....i would appreciate ur advise..thanks..dr sumi
Since you have antithyroid antibody, using prednisolone and aspirin certainly can help. There are no other well established treatments for this, however. As to why you can't get pregnant, I can't answer that question in this venue as I don't have all the information required, nor can I evaluate whether or not the treatments rendered were done competently.
DeleteGood Luck
thanks for ur reply...i am 32 yrs old ..and my husband 41...my question is when should i start prednisolone in cycle ,and what should be the dose and when to stop...thanks a lot sir...dr sumi
ReplyDeleteIn reality when you start and stop it depends on the procotol that your dcotor is using so you should consult him/her. I usually start with the start of the IVF cycle and use 16 mg per day. On the day of retrieval, I decreased the dosage to 8 mg per day and continue that until the second pregnancy test. I then stop it at that point. I only continue it in patients that have recurrent pregnancy loss. In those patients I continue it until they are 10 weeks gestational age.
DeleteI did iui about last week Friday 30th May, and have been asked to come for pregnancy test on the 14th June which seems to be a long wait for me. I noticed yesterday that stood up five times to urinate overnight and am having sore and tender nipples. Could it be that am pregnant? Honestly am afraid to do a home pregnancy test in case of a negative result. Thank you
ReplyDeleteCertainly the symptoms you are exhibiting could be a pregnancy but I would not expect those symptoms until much later in the pregnancy. I usually wait 14 days when doing IUI's so your doctor is not waiting too long. A blood pregnancy test is the way to go.
DeleteHello doctor
ReplyDeleteI am 31 yrs old and my husband is 38. We have been trying to concieve for 8 months. We have had two chemical pregnancies and a missed miscarriage where the baby stopped growing at 9 weeks exactly. I miscarried rather naturally under the supervision of an RE I was perscribed misoprostol and monitored with ultrasounds to make sure I passed everything. We have a full work up scheduled for cycle day three once my period arrives. Our RE told us there is a good chance nothing will be found in our work up. We have already had a SA, my progesterone checked and a panel done on me that all came back normal. This past pregnancy I was put on baby asprin aswell as proestrogen as a precautionary. My question is is it safe for us to try again right away? I seem to before fertile after a loss and would hate to loose an opportunity of conceiving when there is no definite answer that anything wil be found in the work up. I only bled for six days on the misoprostol and my body seemed to bounce right back. My HCG is dropping drastically and 7 days ago it was at 62. Is there any high risk of concieving immedietly after a loss? Thanks in adavanced
Hi,
DeleteThere is no reason why you can't begin trying immediately. In fact, there has been a study showing that a woman's fertility it heightened within the first 6 months of a miscarriage. My only concern is that you have now lost 3 pregnancies which puts you into the category of "recurrent pregnancy loss." For that reason, you should have a full RPL evaluation done. This includes the following:
Anatomical evaluation - ultrasound, diagnostic hysteroscopy
Genetic evaluation - Chromosome and DNA analysis in both partners
Immunologic evaluation - blood tests
Hormonal evaluation - ovarian, thyroid, pituitary
Infectious disease
Talk to your RE about this before trying for another pregnancy. Treatments that can be done include estrogen and progesterone supplementation, low dose aspirin, Medrol, heparin or lovenox. If a genetic abnormality is found, then your doctor might recommend preimplantation genetic screening in conjunction with IVF.
Good Luck
Dear Doctor,
ReplyDeleteIt is so very kind of you to answer people's questions here.
I wonder if you could clarify something please for my husband and I? I am 34 and have been TTC for the first time but I have just had a chemical pregnancy. I tested positive on the pregnancy kit at 4 weeks but I immediately started bleeding heavily, the same amount of blood as a typical period but more achy and it came a bit earlier than usual (my normal cycle is 4 1/2 - 5 weeks).
My doctor has said to wait for a "normal" period before trying again but I am desperate to try again sooner. I saw your post above saying "Once your cycle returns, there is no need to wait to start trying again." What is the difference between this chemical pregnancy bleed, and a normal period and do you think that I need to wait for another bleed before trying again?
Many, many thanks.
Hi. There is no reason to wait for the period except that it helps with timing intercourse. It is important for you to begin trying again soon after a miscarriage because studies have shown that a woman's fertility is heightened (increased) in the first 6 months after a miscarriage.
DeleteThe difference between a miscarriage bleed and a period bleed is that you are not pregnant when you have a period bleed and therefore sloughing the lining, whereas you are pregnant with the miscarriage bleed and sloughing the uterine tissue (pregnancy tissue).
Hi doctor,
ReplyDeleteMy age s 27 and husband age s 30. I am trying to conceive for the past two years.. recently I had 2 times iui and both ended in chemical pregnancy. Now next step should I move to IVF or try once again IUI. My husband sperm has low motility and I have Pcos. Am totally devasted n vexed.. pls provide some positive feedback
Hello.
DeleteIf you achieved a chemical pregnancy (2) by IUI, that showed that the IUI worked. The loss of the pregnancies was not due to IUI or getting pregnant, rather, it was something wrong with the pregnancy itself. I think you can still continue using IUI to try for pregnancy, but I would recommend that you undergo evaluation for recurrent pregnancy loss prior to the next attempt. RPL can occur because of anatomical abnormalities, genetic abnormalities, hormonal abnormalities, infectious disease and immunologic abnormalities.
Thank you very much doctor. We have given now for the above blood tests. After iui,I take susten progesterone tablet upto 400mg. Is that tablet enough or any other supplement tablet would be helpful? Pls suggest...
DeleteSusten is not a medication that I am familiar with because it is not marketed in the U.S., however I was able to find that it is a natural progesterone. The usual dose is usually 100 mg three times a day or 300 mg per day, used vaginally. Oral progesterone has been found to not be effective for the uterine lining. So the dosage you are using is adequate.
DeleteHi Dr. Ramirez,
ReplyDeleteI'm 38 and in the process of a first IVF cycle. We did a 6 day transfer with 2 blastocysts of 'fair' quality. 7 days after the transfer I had heavy bleeding like a regular period. We are thinking the IVF failed, but our first beta hcg test (8 days after transfer) was 7.5. We tested again (10 days after transfer) and it was 24.2. Then we tested again (12 days after transfer) and it was 95. We are set to test again on Day 16, but my husband and I are definitely feeling confused. Are our numbers considered low, even though they are increasing? And what are other explanations for our situation? I'm hesitant to think we are actually pregnant. Thanks so much for any possible feedback.
Hello,
DeleteAs long as your numbers are going up in a normal fashion (approximately doubling every other day), then there is hope. When bHCG is low, goes up abnormally i.e. does not double or flattens, that could indicate an abnormal pregnancy such as an impending miscarriage or ectopic pregnancy.
Technically, you are pregnant and the IVF was successful in as much as it can be.
Congratulations.
Hello Dr.Ramirez
ReplyDeleteI have recently found out my husband has 32.2% fragmented DNA sperm. In 8 months we suffered 3 miscarriages. My work up all came back normal so our RE is considering this the culprit. We are being refered to a urologist to see if there is any procedures that can be done to reverse the severity of the fragmentation numbers. In the meantime our RE said to continue to try naturally since there is 68.8% healthy sperm we could technically concieve with. Is it just me or do you think this is terrible advice aswell. My chances of miscarriage are through the roof and I've read there can be sever abnormalities in our offspring as well as childhood cancer, I'm terrified and would much rather go the IVF route of conception. Our RE said if we're not pregnant in the next four months that's the path we'll proceed but my question to you is does that even make sense? Why put myself through the heartache of yet another loss or even worse an abnormal baby once born. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
Julia
Hello Julia,
DeleteI am not a believer in sperm fragmentation tests because that is only measuring one specimen and men are constantly making new one and renewing the sperm. Once specimen does not necessarily mean it is always like that. Besides, the one thing I agree with your doctor on is that there are 68.8% healthy sperm so that odds are in your favor that a healthy sperm will fertilize the egg.
As such, I don't think the sperm fragmentation is the reason for your miscarriages. You'll have to look elsewhere for that and I would recommend a recurrent pregnancy loss evaluation. If you don't want to go down that path, then IVF with PGS (preimplantation genetic screening) would be an option. This allows for genetic testing of the embryos derived from the IVF procedure to make sure that only normal ones are transferred. This test is indicated in patients with recurrent pregnancy loss.
Good Luck
Hi Dr. Ramirez,
ReplyDeleteI am 33, and have had 3 miscarriages in the past 6 months (10 weeks, 7 weeks, then a chemical). We did do genetic testing and 10 weeks miscarriage was normal, 7 week miscarriage had trisomy 22.
I did have a chemical back in 2008, then got pregnant with twins naturally a month later and had a prefect pregnancy and delivered at 37 weeks.
So now we are having all these miscarriages. I was on asprin progesterone and prednisone for the last 2, starting it all after I got a positive pregnancy test. I did have blood work done and they found that I had MTHFR, but my homocysteine level was not hig, so shouldn't worry about it.
I am not sure if I am just having bad luck, or what.
I appreciate your input. Thank you
Hello,
DeleteI can't tell if it is just bad luck, but you are almost completely covered for recurrent pregnancy loss with the aspirin, progesterone and prednisone. I would add two things to your regimen at this point. I would add Folate 4 mg per day (to cover the MTHFR) and low dose heparin (2000 units twice per day) or Lovenox 35 mg per day. That is my complete regimen for RPL. These will cover the immunologic causes of miscarriage but not if it is genetic. If these do not work, and you continue having miscarriages, you will then have two choices: (1) continue trying in the hopes that eventually you will be successful (statistics are on your side for this) or (2) do IVF with preimplantation genetic screening (PGS).
Good Luck
Dear Dr. Ramirez,
ReplyDeleteI'm 31 years old, and had 4 CPs in a row (in about a year). All tests (immunologic, infectious etc.) came back fine with the exception of hetro MTHFR (C677T). Still waiting for results on Caryotype genetic tests for both of us.
I've read in MTHFR.net that there are recommendations against folic acid, and instead they recommend folate. Do you think folate from nutrition is better/enough, and do you have further recommendations on what I should do at this point?
Thank you
A.
Hello,
DeleteFolate and Folic Acid are the same things, just two different ways of describing it. I do not rely on "nutritional" sources of folic acid for the treatment of positive MTHFR. I would recommend supplemental Folic acid of 4 mg per day. You have the choice between water soluble and non-water soluble versions. I don't think it makes a difference which you use.
Hi doctor. I stopped getting my period since january 15 2013. The only reason I get my period is because they induce it with provera 10mg a day for 5 days. If not I dont get a period... at first my doctor sent me out for ultrasounds and came back that I had pcos and then my gyno/endro said that I dont that its related with my adndrogens not being normal. Well im trying to concieve and she put me on prednisone 5mg a day to induce ovulation and a period. Have you heard of this before because its been a month since they induced my period or how will this work
ReplyDeleteYour doctor is wrong. By definition you have PCOS because you have at least two of the criteria (irregular cycles and PCO type ovaries on ultrasound). In fact, you have three criteria because you have increased androgens, which is also a result of PCOD. In order to induce ovulation, you need to undergo ovulation induction with fertility medications. Your insulin level should be checked to see if metformin might be beneficial as well.
DeleteHi Dr.
ReplyDeleteI am 33 years old and have been trying to have a baby for 3 1/2-4 years now. I did become pregnant after 2 years of trying through use of clomid and hcg trigger shot (no IUI). Unfortunately, that pregnancy ended in a missed miscarriage at 7 weeks. Several months ago I became pregnant on my own and had what I believe was a chemical pregnancy at what would have been just over 5 weeks. I am seeing a new RE and just found out my third IUI failed. The protocol the Dr's have been using is progesterone second day after IUI and lovonok at beginning of the cycle. I do have a history of blood clot DVT but no known blood clotting disorders. I have unexplained infertility. All my tests are normal and my partners are normal as well. I was really hoping the IUIs would work since pregnancy occurred previously using drugs alone and also occurred without the use of any fertility drugs. I am quickly losing hope. My dr's say move on to IVF and I will be successful but I don't believe I will ever have a child. I want to know if I should try IUI one more time or is it now time to move on to IVF in your opinion.
Thank you
Statistically it can take up to 4 IUI cycles for success to occur. That is because IUI still relies on the natural process to achieve pregnancy. Because you have been pregnant before, I would recommend that you try IUI for up to four cycles. If it fails at that point, then I would move to IVF. Of course, if you decide that you want to move to IVF sooner, that is alright as well. You would have a very good chance of success with IVF (70% vs 25% IUI).
Deletehello I wanted to know what it means when an egg fertilises twice? I have had 3 eggs out of 19 do this, and yet I was told this is extremely rare, but obviously not that rare as it happened in two cycles, 1 of 11 eggs 2 of them ambushed, and the other 8 eggs 1 ambushed...all the rest fertilised normally.
ReplyDeleteI have never heard of such a thing. There is a situation where two sperm penetrate and fertilize one egg, but fertilization only occurs once.
DeleteHi Dr.,
ReplyDeleteI would like your opinion on stopping lovenox at 20.weeks. You had answered one of my other questions a while back regarding our miscarriages, and we are now 17 weeks. I am lowering my prednisone and will be off theat in the next week. My Dr also said I can stop the lovenox as I was just out on it to try everything. I do not have a blood clotting disorder. I did have the MTHFR, but low homocysteine levels.
I am nervous to stop the lovenox? Should I be?
Thank you again for your opinion.
No. I think you have gone well beyond the point of where I would have stopped the Lovenox. I generally stop it at 12 weeks gestational age in patients with recurrent pregnancy loss.
DeleteCongratulations on your success. I hope I was part of helping you achieve this.
Hello, PLEASE I NEED HELP / ADVISE
ReplyDeletePlease I need some advise. My case is quite complex. I did IVF about 4 years ago (after 2 failed attempts, I then changed clinics) and it was successful with 5 foetuses and heartbits. I am small is size, and we were worried about being able to nurture to full term and have healthy babies, avoiding premature births. I travelled to india and was advised to reduce to 2. We did reduce the fetuses to 2 inside me , but at 7 months, twin girl was not growing well, so we had to deliver prematurely. After 36 weeks and back home, we list the girl, so we have a son.... I am grateful... However, after I have been trying IVF again. The first, was positive, but a chemical pregnancy, the second was positive but I bled and lost it a day or 2 after the first ultrasound when the sac was found, the third was unsuccessful. I then did 5 DAY detox programme and the fourth was positive, but the sac / implantation was abnormal, did not progress, I had to have a D&C to evacuate the implantation at about 5 weeks. The 5th on a home pregnancy tested negative before 10 days...I bled for 3 days prior to the clinic appointment after implantation. When I went for test, it was mildly positive, few days later, it was stronger and Beta increasing. At 5 weeks, I did a scan, and no sac was visible , but the test in IVF clinic was positive.... I have another scan on Monday to check for sac... But the red line on the test is getting stronger / ticker.... Please what can be going on? What tests can I do? Why these failed series of IVFs after a successful one? Please, I also use donor eggs and they are usually grade A.... about 2 or 3 or 4 are implanted at a cycle... Sometimes its frozen embryo transfer .... Please what can be going wrong? Pleae help me with guidance or an answer... I am desperate please....
I'm sorry, I can't give you specific advice through this forum because it requires a more extensive review of your records and probably some additional testing. If you want me to review your medical records, I can certainly do that in a formal consultation, but it sounds like you have a recurrent pregnancy loss problem which requires a specific evaluation. Recurrent miscarriages can be caused by any one of the following:
Delete1. Genetic
2. Anatomical
3. Immunologic
4. Hormonal
5. Infectious disease.
I would recommend that your doctor do a thorough evaluation before proceeding further.
Hi Doctor, My name is Mrs. I. Please I need advise. I am 39 yrs old professional in Lagos, Nigeria. I was diagnosed with premature menopause at 28yrs. And advised to do IVF using donor scheme… These have been my history
ReplyDelete1st attempts (using fresh embryos) – Failed
2nd attempt (using donor egg) - Failed
Changed clinics. 3rd attempt using fresh embryos – Successful as 4 transferred and 5 implantations spotted. Because of my size and fear of premature birth, we travelled to India and reduced to 2. They injected into the uterus to do the reduction and cleared out when I delivered by CS. I delivered the twins prematurely at 7 months as one of them was not growing well… After 36 weeks in NICU, we lost one of the babies at home, so I have a son, and am grateful.
4t IVF(using FET) – Failed as it was chemical
5th IVF – Tested positive to blood test, I implantation spotted but started bleeding shortly after, so it failed.
6th implantation – failed – test negative
7th implantation: Then I did 5-day detox and another IVF THERAFTER… It tested positive, but the implantation was not good and did not progress… I had to do a D&c to remove the implantation in the uterus
8th IVF – using FET- Was negative at about 9-10 days on home pregnancy. I then bled for 3 days then it started reading positive. At ultrasound scan, there was no implantation / sac found in the uterus. But the BETA is rising and the test is still positive
So, I have another scan on Monday, after which they will try to locate where it resided on and manage / evacuate.
Please doc, I am confused. Why this spate of failed IVFs after a successful one?
Please, what other tests need to be done? What may have gone wrong?
Hi. You meet the criteria for recurrent pregnancy loss and there is a specific evaluation done for this. You should request that your doctor do the evaluation before proceeding further. Miscarriages can be caused by any of the following:
Delete1. Genetic
2. Immunologic
3. Anatomical
4. Hormonal
5. Infectious disease
There are specific tests for each of these. I can't tell you what is happening with any specifics of course, but if you were my patients, I would do this testing first. I also add low dose aspirin, mini dose heparin, estrogen, progesterone and medrol to my patients that fail multiple IVF cycles or have recurrent miscarriages, but that is a personal preference and not based on any standard or universal protocol.
Thank you Doc. I certainly will ask him to conduct all the tests required to investigate further... as I am spent. I always use cyclogest, predisolone, heparin, folic acid during my cycles.
DeleteI did visit the doc for the scan as I told you, and the cycle was confirmed ectopic, as it is hovering somewhere outside the uterus. I am to be in tomorrow again, after the blood work today for a possible injection to expel and bleed it off... I am spent and exhausted.
Please can you inform me the exact tests I should ask the doc for? Please I need your help... Thank you... Could a foetal reduction have caused problems for me? Thank you
No. These problems are not caused by fetal reduction. I've given you the list of systems that need to be evaluated. If you are seeing a competent doctor, your doctor should know what specific tests are required for each category. You should not have to tell the doctor what to order. If your doctor does not know, then you should go seek out a more competent doctor at this point.
DeleteHello Dr.,
ReplyDeleteI have two children currently one age 6 and one age 5, both with my x husband. I am now trying with my current boyfriend and have had 3 miscarriages very early (like 4-5 weeks LDOP). My HCG level goes up and than drops. What can cause this and can i fix this?! Just want to add that early in our relationship we got pregnant and had a medical abortion but that was at 7 weeks. So we have made it past the 4 week point but i cant now....Need help please
Hello. You don't mention your age and this can have a significant effect on your miscarriage rates. Over the age of 35, the most common reason for miscarriage is spontaneous genetic abnormalities. Under 35 it can be a myriad of reasons. With 3 miscarriages, you qualify for the diagnosis "recurrent pregnancy loss" and should consult a reproductive specialist to undergo an evaluation. There are things that can be tried such as supplemental progesterone (sometimes this is the culprit in chemical pregnancies), low dose aspirin, medrol, estrogen and heparin.
DeleteI am 33 years old married woman. I have 8 years old son with cesarean. We are trying for another baby from 11 months but no success. Though I suffered 3 chemical pregnancies and visited a fertility specialist. My ultrasound, colposcopy are normal. Blood tests for infections, prolactin, thyroid and amh levels are normal. My Dr prescribed me oosure, vit E 400mg, combination of methylfolate, omega3, Ca and vit d, ferrous ascorbate cynocobalmin folic acid tablets( my HB level was 9 in Nov. Though it was 11 in June). After taking all these I think I am undergoing another CP because my hot showed positive on CD 26 and 28 but today CD 30 shows a negative result. I'm very disappointed. Please advise.
ReplyDeleteHello. If you are seeing a reproductive specialist, he should be able to offer you more than just vitamin supplements. I use a cocktail of low dose aspirin, low dose heparin, low dose medrol, estrogen and progesterone for hormonal support and to reduce the immune response. Technically, you should undergo a comprehensive evaluation for recurrent pregnancy loss. This includes: genetic testing, immunological testing, hormonal testing, infectious disease testing and anatomical testing.
DeleteHi Doctor,
ReplyDeleteI am 32 years old and diagnosed with PCOS (lean PCOS with BMI of about 22). I have irregular periods and polycystic ovaries. Husband sperm count and motility great but maybe poor morphology. He has been taking Vit C, E, CoQ10, L'Carnitine and L'Arginine for it already. HSG show i have open tubes.
I have done 4 cycles of clomid:
50mg- no u/s monitoring, no ovidrel, just timed intercourse, blood test confirmed ovulation, failed
50mg- blood test confirmed NO ovulation
100mg- u/s monitoring 1 mature follicle, no ovidrel, just timed intercourse, failed
100mg- u/s monitoring 1 mature follicle, ovidrel, timed intercourse, failed
Doctor then suggested I move onto Letrozole. So far i have done 4 IUIs with Letrozole:
IUI#1- 2.5mg, 1 mature follicle, chemical pregnancy
IUI#2- 5mg, 1 mature follicle, progesterone, failed
IUI#3- 5mg, 1 mature follicle, progesterone, failed
IUI#4- 5mg, 1 mature follicle, progesterone, baby aspirin after iui, failed
After my first and only chemical pregnancy, i was put on progesterone vaginal inserts (100mg, twice a day) each time after IUI, but so far I have not gotten pregnant again.
For each cycle i would only produce one mature follicle. I asked my doctor if i could do a letrozole+injectable combo or move onto injectables so to produce more follicles and maybe increase my chance of pregnancy but he refused. He said that the goal of ovulation induction is to produce one follicle and ovulate which I have been achieving already. Do you agree that I should continue with this protocol and give IUI 2 more chances before moving onto IVF?
I asked about risk of uterine fibroids or endometriosis. My doctor said since i have been doing so many ultrasounds, they did not see any fibroids. As for endometriosis, he said the only way is via laproscopy which he says there is no point of taking the risk of a surgery. He suggests that i give Letrozole and IUI two more tries and then move straight to IVF which gives me the best chance.
My other concern is my uterine lining tends to be thick. For example, at my mid-cycle ultrasound on CD11, my lining would already be at 13mm. I asked my doctor if that could affect implantation and he said there is no such thing as too thick of a lining. Is this true?
Also, I have started taking baby aspirin after iui to increase my chance of implantation but obviously i has not worked. Do you agree it is no harm in my situation for me to continue taking it? I plan on to take it everyday. Is it ok to take it even before ovulation? I do not know if i have any blood clotting or immunological issue. My doctor believes that i don't.
For my past IUI#3 and IUI#4, i thought i had the perfect cycle. I had a mature follicle of about 18.6mm by CD11 and did ovidrel trigger shot on CD12 and IUI on CD14. I think IMPLANTATION is the issue here.
Thank you.
Hello. I have to say that I am not in agreement with your doctor for many things, it is the doctor you have chosen and so you have to decide if you agree with him/her. In my mind, ovulating only one egg is no better than natural ovulation and gives you the same chance as trying naturally (15-18% per month). I believe that if we are going to intervene medically, we should be giving the maximum chances of pregnancy per month, within the parameters of the treatment plan. So for OI with timed intercourse, the goal should be to increase the number of eggs ovulated per month in order to increase the chances that an egg will get to the tube and see the sperm (this is not a given. Eggs need to traverse the pelvis from the ovary to the tube). Based on your age, I would not allow more than 3 eggs to ovulate. Insemination then helps an additional step and thereby increases your chance of pregnancy up to 25% per month, but only if you are increasing the number of eggs. Injecting the sperm into the uterus does NOT enhance pregnancy much if you are only ovulating one egg. IUI significantly increases your chances by (1) increasing the number of eggs and thereby the chance of an egg getting to the sperm, (2) getting the sperm closer to the egg and (3) timing.
DeleteThe fact that you achieve one pregnancy, albeit a chemical pregnancy, shows that IUI or OI alone can work. I think your doctor just has not stimulated adequately. Certainly a combination protocol is appropriate, but to same the costs of medications, how about just using higher dose Clomid Letrozole? I also automatically support the luteal phase with progesterone.
This is the reason why pregnancy rates vary so much between doctors and clnics. Protocols can be highly variable,.
Dear Dr. Ramirez,
ReplyDeleteThank you for writing such an insightful blog and responses. I am a 42 (and a half) year old with previous, healthy live births. My youngest child is 2. Ever since that baby's birth we have been trying for our last child. We had suffered a blighted ovum this year at 13 weeks, then 2 months later a chemical pregnancy that ended at 6 weeks and I am pregnant again with faint positives (most likely a chemical pregnancy yet again).
I realize that my age is most likely the biggest factor. I am very healthy, don't drink at all, don't smoke and I take prenatal vitamins daily.
Is there anything else I can be doing to assist in getting (and staying) pregnant with a healthy baby?
Thanks so much,
Sarah
Hi. Indeed age is probably the predominant factor since you have shown that you can recently get pregnant. The losses are due to abnormal embryos which occur due to debilitated eggs (old eggs). As yet, there is no technology to make eggs better, although, there is much discussion about the possibility of mitochondrial transplants which may do just that. Although that technology exists, it is experimental and still illegal in the U.S. That being said, your only option is to keep trying in the hope of eventually getting a good egg. I explain that to my patients with the analogy of a bucket full of blue and red balls. There are only a few red balls, which represent the good eggs. With trying naturally you are only pulling out one ball at a time, which in most cases will be a blue ball. Eventually, you may get a red one. Using fertility medications to enhance ovulation (increase the number ovulated), you pull out a handful of balls each month. With IVF, you poor out a bunch of balls all at once. As you can see IVF is more efficient but not guaranteed. Also, will each passing month, more of the red balls fade to blue. So, if you absolutely want to have another child, then you can either increase the number of eggs you ovulate by super-ovulation induction with fertility medications or go to IVF. Otherwise, you can only keep trying and hope for the best.
DeleteOne thing I do recommend to all my patients is an 81 mg aspirin tablet per day and CoQ10 600 mg per day. The aspirin will help with implantation and the CoQ10 is a vitamin that has been shown to enhance cell quality and increase egg quality in mice eggs.
Good Luck
Hello Dr.Ramirez,
ReplyDeleteFirst of all I would like to thank you very much for your time and assistance. I find it very honorable that you are taking the time to help so many women.
I am 22 and diagnosed with PCOS. I am at a healthy bmi and eat low glycemic to help conteract insulin resistance. My cycles are long, my last one I didn't ovulate until cd31 and I only had a 6 day luteal phase. Which included brown spotting starting 2dpo. My bbt also was declining early after ovulation. My next cycle I didn't ovulate until cd44. I had a drastic drop on my bbt chart on 6dpo and what I believed to be implantation bleeding. I got positive hpts 12-14dpo. This monday 15dpo I suffered a chemical pregnancy at 4weeks and 1 day pregnant. I have a few questions for you. At what point can I resume sexual intercourse with my husband? Do you think it's plausible I have lpd? Do you have an opinion on supplements such as vitex or b6/b12 to assist with progesterone production? The cycle of my chemical pregnancy was the first my husband and I were ttc. It was my first pregnancy. I accredit charting to conceiving with such an irregular cycle.
Hello,
Delete1. You can start intercourse at any point.
2. By definition, if you don't have a 14 day luteal phase, you have LPD. This is likely because of the hormonal imbalance you have resulting from PCOD. I would recommend that you consider ovulation induction with timed intercourse and luteal phase supplementation should be part of that. The ovulation induction is to correct the hormonal imbalance, and luteal phase supplementation should be with progesterone.
3. Vitamins are placebos in this treatment. I would not rely on them.
4. I think you can be successful, given the correct treatment plan. However, because you are so young, you certainly have the option of continuing to try on your own without any intervention. Chances are you will eventually be successful; in fact, your fertility is enhanced for the next 6 months based on studies that have been done.
Thank you Dr. I am looking for a new obgyn in the Kansas City area. I will bring up ovulation induction and progesterone supplementation to them. Hopefully they won't make me wait since we haven't been trying very long. Your reply has been very helpful. Best wishes to you and your practice.
Deletehi dr, i am a pathologist, undergone ivf, 15 days after embryo transfer my serum b hcg was less than 1, my dr told to stop progesterone, topical estradiol n aspirin. just did a recheck today ( 18 days post transfer ) it was 3.5.. she told me wait n continue medication.. is there a chance ? can this happen ?
ReplyDeleteYes, there is a possibility that the pregnancy will continue but there is also a chance that it will end as a chemical pregnancy. All you can do at this point is to follow the bHCG's.
DeleteGood Luck
Hi Dr Ramirez, i have had multiple chemicals over the last two years. The recent ones were while on femara, hcg trigger and progesterone after ovulation. I just got a natural positive hpt but the lines are lighter on the test today so i think this will be a chemical as well. All my tests have comeback normal. I take iron, metformin, omega 3s, inositol and vitamin D. I am 36 and my RE has recommended continuing another 3 rounds of femara. Would you recommend any other changes? I have a daughter from clomid who is three years old. We switched to femara as the RE thought i might have lining issues. I'm discouraged and not looking forward to another 3 cycles of femara ending in chemicals again. Thank you for your advice.
ReplyDeleteIf you have had more that three miscarriages, then you would qualify for the diagnosis of "recurrent pregnancy loss". There is a specific evaluation that is required for the evaluation of RPL. Are these the tests that have been done? The treatment of RPL will be dependent on the causes, however, in many cases the exact cause cannot be found. As an example, age is now an issue for you, as you are older than 35 years old, which leads to spontaneous genetic aberrations in the development of the embryo. This leads to the most common cause of recurrent miscarriages. This could be the problem and the only treatment would then be to keep trying or consider doing preimplantation genetic screening with IVF. I also treat with progesterone, estrogen, aspirin, medrol and heparin. You might want to discuss this further with your RE. He/She might have different protocols.
DeleteHello Doctor,
ReplyDeletei have had over 8 iui and 2 IVF and they have been negative,and everything looks ok with me except my hubby that has azospermia,we have been using DS since but it has not worked.Whats the problem?Could it be an implantation problem?
In order for me to answer your question or give you advice, I would need to do a complete review of your medical records. You've given me insufficient information to give any knd of an answer. Sorry.
DeleteDear dr. Edward Ramirez,
ReplyDeleteI try to write briefly my request and history of diagnosis.
My infertility journey continues already for 12 years. I'm 31 year old. I never was pregnant.
Diagnosis:
1. Mild endometriosis stage 1, removed during laparoscopy, regrow double after ivf and now for 7 months through ultrasound visible endometrial cyst is 1,6cm.
2. Had removed polyps from endometrium, hysteroscopy.
3. Low progesterone.
4. Galactorrhea, however prolactin in the range of norm.
5. Husband‘s sperm results are very good.
6. For a year I had rheumatoid arthritis symptoms, but they gone now.
7. I had many different stimulations and took progesterone for a half year doesn't work either.
8. 1 IVF with short protocol, retrieved 10 eggs 9 of them fertilized, until day 5 survived 3 blastocysts. 2 blastocysts were transferred. On the next day I had sort of flu symptoms and fiver for the next couple days. On the day 14 after transfer HCG showed 8,23.
It‘s seems so far all determined conditions.
Doctors offer try and try again with IVF's, but after first one I do have such bad pain and inflammation in my uterus and regrow of endometriosis,that I'm afraid simple try again again without other testing or different alternatives.
Please recommend something or even suggest new guideline of treatment?
I'm sincerely thankful in advance for your answer.
Hello,
DeleteIVF is the treatment of choice for the worst endometriosis, Stage IV, which is what you now have based on having an endometriotic cyst. But another treatment alternative is to treat with Lupron for 3 months to suppress the endometriosis and then go directly into another IVF cycle.
IVF is the treatment of choice in your case and I would recommend that you keep trying. You will be eventually successful. As it is, your first attempt was successful in that you did get pregnant even though it did not continue. IVF only helps with the first 7 steps of the 10 step reproductive process so just getting pregnant shows that it can work. It is now just a matter of getting the perfect embryo.
Good Luck.
Hello Dr. I am 33 years old and have two children. After my son was born, who is now 5, my cycles seem to have shortened significantly. A normal cycle for me is typically around 22-24 days with 5 days of spotting. Last March I had a chemical pregnancy and this past month one as well. I have no problem at all getting pregnant, but for some reason they're not sticking. Do you think my short cycle could be the cause?
ReplyDeleteHello,
DeleteYes. It is possible that you have a luteal phase defect, which is a deficiency of progesterone support in the luteal phase. This could also be the cause of your chemical pregnancies. My treatment would be to give supplemental progesterone in the luteal phase (beginning right after ovulation).
Hi Dr, I have had 3 miscarriages, all of them blighted ovums. After the first two miscarriages, I was diagnosed with a clotting factor APS and fibromyalgia. I was put on 81mgs baby asprin for the APS. This past July I got pregnant and was started on lovenox injections right after I had a postitive test at 4weeks and still taking the asprin.
ReplyDeleteI however still was diagnosed with a blighted ovum.
My OB has referred me to a fertility doctor and I will see him in 2 weeks since my hcg is now below 5. I also dint have any problems conceiving the first two pregnancies but this third one we had to use clomid 50mg day 3-7 and estradiol.
Any advice on why I always have an empty sac that goes up to 12 or 13weeks before I can naturally miscarry? I am 36yrs old and was 34, and 35yrs during the first two miscarriages.
Hi,
DeleteThere is a protocol for evaluation of women with recurrent pregnancy loss, but blighted ovum is characteristic of a chromosomally/genetically abnormal pregnancy. I'm sure that your fertility doctor, if he is competent, will do genetic testing on your and your husband. If it shows that you are not carrying any type of genetic abnormality that you are passing to the embryo, then the conclusion would be that the abnormality is a spontaneous genetic defect i.e. that it occurs by itself when the embryo is dividing and forming. In that case, in order to prevent recurrent miscarriages, you might want to consider genetic testing of the embryo before it is implanted into the uterus. This is done with a treatment called IVF with PGS. Keep in mind that your age is a significant factor in causing spontaneous genetic abnormalities because the eggs are older and more fragile. You risk of miscarriage is as high as 40-50% per pregnancy.
Hello,
ReplyDeleteI've had three chemical pregnancies this year, 1/15, 5/15 and 8/15. I also have a 2 year old conceived on our fourth try so I know my body can do this. I recently turned 36, the losses were all when I was 35. I've had many labs run as well as hysteroscopy as I had a 7mm polyp removed before ttc my son and we wanted to check for regrowth. No polyp but it was noticed that I have polycystic ovaries. The last time my hormones were tested was 9 years ago and my androgens were very normal despite excess hair since puberty. My LH was three times my FSH. Estradiol was low. I ovulate each month based on sympto-thermal charting, usually between days 17-20 and then have a 10-12 day lp though I've had some early bbt drop-offs recently including my last pregnancy despite supplementation. I was shocked I was pregnant as my bbt had fallen so abruptly at 6dpo and kept falling. The cycle before only a 9 day lp and had an early drop too. My last cycle (no supplementation as we avoided that cycle) was back to an 11 day lp and barely dropped before my period so I was thankful. I don't know if my early miscarriages are messing with my lp's? Also, I had one 7dpo progesterone test this year and it came in at 9.6. As I mentioned, I was on progesterone for my last pregnancy, 200mg vaginally once daily starting at 2dpo. This was increased to twice a day at 10dpo when I found out I was pregnant. I'm at a new clinic now and the protocol my doc wants me to try is an anti-inflammatory diet of high veggies, high beans/protein, no or low grains/sugar. Starting with ovulation I'll do HCG injections every other day, pause after 9dpo for five days, test for pregnancy at 14dpo. Then if I'm pregnant I'll continue HCG twice a week and add progesterone injections. She said the HCG will help stimulate both estrogen and progesterone and then she wants even more progesterone once I'm pregnant. They will also be watching my progesterone closely. There are so many protocols out there and I wish I could know what is right for me. Or if I need to do anything at all as I've done much research and know that I stand a very good chance for success even doing nothing. I'd love a totally natural pregnancy but I absolutely do not want anymore losses and will probably go for the shots. This protocol isn't as common and I'd be interested in your thoughts about my miscarriages/cycles as well as my protocol. Thank you so much.
Dear Dr. Ramirez,
ReplyDeleteI have had 5 failed Unmedicated IUI cycles with donor sperm. On at least 4 of these attempts I have experienced twinges, back ache and menstrual type cramps from around day 5 post IUI, until my period arrives around day 14.
I had the level 2 tests and results came back with slightly raised CD56 at 14.6, CD19, Cd5+ at 14.9, and CD 19 at 12.2. My cytokine ratio was 20.9:8.4. Because of this, I was prescribed prednisolone 10mg for my most recent IUI. I found my response to be the same, with cramping starting from day 5. These cramps are worse at night and by around day 12 post IUI I usually have shaky hands and racing heart rate also.
I feel the cramping is key to my problem with implantion, however I am at a loss as to whether or not this is immune related. I am desperate to understand the reason for the cramping and what the next step to take is.
Physically, I have been diagnosed with mild endometriosis (which was largely removed) and there were signs of adenomyosis, in that I have a bulky uterus. I do have a history of painful periods, but I have been told this shouldn't be causing the issues, since my recent laparoscopy and hysteroscopy.
Please can you offer any suggestions? I have considered if a uterine biopsy would give a better immune picture considering my history.
Thank you,
Emma
Hello Dr Ramirez,
ReplyDeleteCan I just take a minute to appreciate your dedication to this blog. Thank you so much for your all your answers.
I have experienced 3 early miscarriages after IVF/ICSI. I have had 3 treatments all positive but I haven't stayed pregnant past 6 weeks and 2 days. I've also been diagnosed with endometriosis stage IV - so all the injecting of hormones isn't helping me and my ovarian cysts.
Anyway, I am going to see a new RE and thanks to your answers, I have a better understanding of what could be wrong.
I do have one question, do some people absorb PIO injections better than vaginal suppositories?
Thank you.
Thanks soo much Dr for your response about my 3 blighted ovums when I wrote on September 19th. I did see a specialist who did the fluid sonogram to check for fibroids on my uterus and all was well except for a very tiny fibroid which he said couldn't be causing any issues. He also did blood work to check for Natural killer cells and yesterday be told me that it's high. My level was a 10.2 and he said it should be anything below 10. I am confused because some Dr's online say it should be below 15, so not sure who is correct. He advised us to do IVF which we can't afford right now.
ReplyDeleteMy question is, do u think such a small different in normal range for my NK Cells could be the reasons for my blighted ovums? I mean the difference is soo small.
Also, I wrote and email to him to allow us to have testing done for Karyotyping and am still waiting to hear from him. I was concerned that he jumped right into IVF without even wanting to test further for chromosomal issues.
Kindly advice.
Hi Dr Ramirez
ReplyDeleteI am 32 years old, turning 33 in one months time. I have a live birth before and my son is six now. I have done a 5 day blastocyst transfer and the grade of my blastocyst is 4AB. During ER I had 12 matured egg out of which 10 fertilised and produce 7 good quality embryo on day 3. On day 5, I had 8 blastocyst, out of which only 2 were 4 AB and the rest 3 were 4BB. 3 other were low grade. I was on the long protocol and I am now on the cycologest 400 and another medication which Progynova 2mg. What are my chances of pregancies given of my above situation. Additionally what are the chances that my 5 blastocyst that I have would be chromosomally normal. I had my right tube blocked due to which I am told to do an IVF. Additionally which blastocyst are considered good quality. Does 4BB considered good quality?
Hi Dr.Ramirez,
ReplyDeleteI am 33 and finished my second IUI. My new endocrinologist ordered a blood hcg at 10 dpo and the result was 1. Thinking I was not pregnant, I stopped my progesterone suppositories and started spotting at 12 dpo and then bright red bleeding at 13 dpo. I was asked to do another blood hcg at 14 dpo and it returned as 9.5. I have to come in again in two days to confirm pregnancy as the level is low. I stopped my progesterone for 3 days, is that the reason for the low hcg?