Showing posts with label ovarian resistance. Show all posts
Showing posts with label ovarian resistance. Show all posts

Tuesday, July 3, 2012

A Step By Step Guide To The IVF Process: Step One -- Stimulation

Dear Readers,

This is the second part in the series I have begun to help answer what In Vitro Fertilization (IVF) is and how it works with my world-wide Blog audience. What you read here is what I also provide my patients with on a daily basis. I plan on going into some detail but in a way that is understandable to the normal (lay) audience, and not the medical or scientific one. I hope that this will not only clarify what you will go through, but explain why things are done a certain way and what the goals of each step are. I also want to convey that IVF is actually a replacement for some of the “natural” steps required to get pregnant and not some miraculous high tech fertility treatment that gets patients pregnant artificially, as many think it is. It is somewhat of a miracle that we can do as much as we can, but there are still lots of things/steps that we cannot do or influence. I hope this discussion will benefit you. This series will be posted over the next few weeks in installments.

STEP ONE: STIMULATION

As explained in the natural process, the first step in your body is for the hypothalamus and pituitary to send a hormone to the ovary to stimulate the growth of a follicle and maturation of the egg within.

The hypothalamus sends a hormone called GnRH or gonadotropin releasing hormone to the pituitary. This in turn, causes the pituitary to give off follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) and a little luteinizing hormone (LH). For now, I won’t go into detail regarding LH since it is not as important in this stage of the process. The FSH, or follicle stimulating hormone, stimulates the growth of a follicle, hence the name. The ovaries already have all the follicles they are going to have from birth. These follicles are in a dormant state until they are stimulated. In a natural cycle, several follicles are stimulated but only one is designated to grow to ovulation. The FSH goes through the blood stream and makes its way to the ovary. The ovary then picks up this hormone from the blood. It then processes the hormone and a follicle grows causing the production of estradiol and progesterone, and maturing the egg within. The egg is normally in an immature state in the dormant follicle.

In the IVF process, we take over the function of the hypothalamus and pituitary. In fact, we shut down the natural process so that we can control how the process goes and to help with timing. Timing is critical in IVF, as it is in the natural process. Many programs use birth control pills to shut down the ovaries and thereby shut down the hypothalamic-pituitary axis. Some clinics use leuprolide acetate or Lupron, Synarel or a similar drug, to shut down this axis. These drugs are known as GnRH (gonadotropin releasing hormone) agonists which is essentially adding GnRH but the brain monitors the levels of this hormone and if it reaches a certain threshold, shuts down production in the hypothalamus. Using Lupron from the luteal phase of the previous cycle is known as the “long protocol”. Some programs will go into IVF directly from an natural menstrual cycles and this is sometimes called “Natural cycle” IVF.

As I was explaining, in the IVF process we take over this step by giving FSH and LH hormone directly. These are known as injectable fertility drugs, but in actuality are not “fertility” drugs but merely the hormones your body would naturally produce to induce follicle growth in the ovary but at a higher dosage. So in reality, these drugs don’t increase your fertility or make you more fertile, they actually just give you more of an opportunity to become pregnant. Some of the medication used in IVF, such as Gonal-f or Follistim are now recombitant, or genetically produced FSH (in the old days, all FSH used to be natural FSH that was extracted from elderly women’s urine). These medications are pure FSH and have no LH within. There are other medications such as Pergonal, Menopur, Repronex that contain both FSH and LH. These are still derived from urine. Some clinics will use only FSH but most will use a “mixed” protocol, meaning they use both an FSH only drug in combination with an FSH/LH drug taken together.

The amount of medication given is what determines how many follicles your ovaries grow, and is dependent on how aggressive your doctor wants to be, i.e. how many follicles they want to try to get, and how well he/she thinks your ovaries are functioning or going to respond to the stimulation. We call the latter “ovarian reserve”. A younger patient will usually, but not always, have a very good ovarian reserve and therefore require less medication, whereas as a woman ages, her ovaries become more resistant or less likely to pick up the FSH from the blood, i.e. decreased ovarian reserve. Logically you can see that if the ovaries are more responsive, less medication is required and vice versa. The best way to picture this, as I explain to my patients, is to imagine a golf “wuffle” ball. If you don’t know golf, this is a practice ball with lots of holes in it so that it doesn’t fly far. Imagine that all the holes are open and you put the ball in a bowl of fluid (which is the FSH). The wuffle ball readily admits the fluid into its center. Now imagine that you block off most of the holes in the ball. You can see that less fluid gets into the ball (you also have to imagine that you have a time limit as to how long the ball gets to sit in the bowl of fluid). That is ovarian resistance. No matter how much drug you give, the ovary will only pick up as much FSH as it can and thereby only stimulate as well as it is going to stimulate. There is no technology that can change this. That leads to a lower ovarian response to the stimulation, and less follicles and eggs to work with. It is called “ovarian resistance” once stimulation has been attempted and only a few follicles grow. That is different from “ovarian reserve” which is the anticipated ovarian response or ovarian response potential before stimulation. “Ovarian resistance” is what you see once the stimulation is done and the ovary does not stimulate well.

The stimulation step is important because part of the success of IVF is an enhanced statistical chance by having lots of eggs to work with. Take for instance, if you have one dice and you want the number five. You have a 1 in 6 chance with each roll of the dice. Of course, your chances increase with rolling the dice more times, which is a different statistical chance and the statistic that changes as you attempt IVF repetitively. But taking just one roll into consideration, as in one IVF cycle, your chance is 1 in 6. Now, if you add three, four or five dices to that one roll, you can see that you have increased your chances 3, 4 or 5 fold. That is the same with each IVF cycle. In a natural cycle, you give off only one egg, so if that egg doesn’t go through each step perfectly, you don’t get pregnant. IVF increases your chances of pregnancy by accomplishing more of the steps of the process for you, but more importantly, you still need to have a perfect egg that forms a perfect embryo. If you only have one egg, the chances of having a perfect egg are significantly decreased. It increases by having more eggs to work with. That is how IVF increases your chances of pregnancy statistically. So the goal of stimulation is to try to maximize the number of eggs that you have available in order to increase your chances of getting/finding the perfect egg/embryo.

Now there is a caveat to this. You don’t necessarily want too many eggs because over stimulation can not only cause a major illness, but the egg quality may suffer. This is where the “art” of IVF lies. It is up to the doctor to try to make an educated guess as to how much stimulation would be ideal for each patient. Under-stimulate and you decrease the chances. Over-stimulate and you also decrease the chances, as well as, risk making the patient sick. Doctors get better at making this decision through experience. And this is part of what makes each doctor and each clinic different.

We will continue this discussion soon with the next installment, "Step Two: Follicle Growth and Egg Maturation". Thank you for joining me today!

Edward J. Ramirez, M.D. F.A.C.O.G.
Medical Director, Monterey Bay IVF
Monterey, CA
http://www.montereybayivf.com/

Saturday, November 6, 2010

43 Yr Old With High FSH Of 30 Asks: Is There A Way To Lower It?


Question:
Dear Dr. Ramirez,

First, thank you very much for taking the time to answer so many questions. Your column has been an important part of my education on IVF.

I am writing from Cincinnati, OH. I am 43 years old and am considering IVF. I just learnt that my FSH is 30, substantially above the cutoff rate for my fertility clinic (their cutoff is 10). Are there any options other than donor eggs? Is there a way to lower FSH? Would love to get your perspective. Thank you. S.

Answer:

Hello S. from the U.S.,

I'm assuming, of course, that your FSH levels were accurately tested. The FSH level is only valid for interpretation if it is done on cycle day #2 or 3. The FSH is a measure of ovarian function (or ovarian resistance). This is mainly important to determine how well the ovaries will respond to stimulation. It is NOT a measure of fertility. However, if the CD#3 FSH level of 30 is correct, that would indicate that you are perimenopausal and your ovaries would be shutting down. You would no longer be having periods and you would have menopausal symptoms such as hot flashes. Is this the case?

If so, unfortunately, with an elevated FSH of 30 you are not eligible for any other treatments other than donor eggs. I'm sorry but there is no way to revive the ovaries at this time. I see on the web that there are many lay people claiming that there are "natural" alternatives like acupressure that can help lower your FSH levels. This is simply not true!

Please see my previous post:"41 Yr Old With High FSH, High Estradiol..." where I go into greater detail regarding this distressing issue. Remember, there are many paths you can take to motherhood and from my experience as an infertility specialist, all those paths can bring happiness.

Good Luck,

Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

Friday, October 1, 2010

PCOS Challenge Radio Show Summary: Everything You Wanted To Know About PCOS, Fertility, Menopause, Pregnancy & More!

Dear Readers,
On September 29th I was interviewed by Sasha Ottey of PCOS Challenge on her BlogTalkRadio program, for an episode titled: "Ask The Fertility Specialist About PCOS And Your Fertility". I was pleasantly surprised at how quickly the one-hour interview went. It was basically a question/answer format (like my blog ). It was interesting to see how many questions I received from Sasha and her listeners that not only covered PCOS but many, many other issues that relate to women's reproductive health. For more in depth information on PCOS and infertility please see: Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome.

I will attempt to give you some idea of the many different issues that were brought up during this very enlightening hour! I can't list them all, but if any of the topics that I list below interest you, please listen to the radio show through the widget below!


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  • "What is the difference between a normal menstrual cycle and one that is PCOS?" With an abnormal menstrual cycle you can develop abnormalities in your endometrial lining.
  • "What are the top reasons for infertility?" Probably PCOS is the number one cause for infertility that I see, with tubal factors and age factors coming in close seconds.
  • "While overweight PCOS patients are told to lose weight, lean PCOS patients are at a loss as to what to do?" I go in depth on Clomid, Femara and the injectables that might be the treatment path for "lean" PCO patients.
  • "What is the difference between ovarian reserve and ovarian resistance?" With ovarian reserve you need to evaluate your FSH levels and AMH and tends to come with age, but ovarian resistance has to do with how the ovary responds to fertility medications.
  • "How long do you need to wait to try for pregnancy again after you have a miscarriage?" Surprisingly, recent studies have shown that trying as soon as possible will actually increase your chances of pregnancy. You must wait until you resume your normal menstrual cycle, though.
  • "What about patients that are insulin resistance and overweight, will changing their diet and losing weight help with their fertility?" This will work in a majority of patients, but some of these patients will have to go on Metformin, and possibly ovulation inducing medication.
  • "I am a very heavy-bleeder during my period and are there any options besides a hysterectomy?" You need to establish first whether you want to get pregnant in the future, in which case you want to preserve your uterus. You should find out why you have the bleeding. It could be an ovarian disfunction or perhaps caused by fibroids or polyps which can be removed. Otherwise, if you don't want to get pregnant you can opt to have a D&C, bcp, Mirena, endometrial ablation, or a hysterectomy.
  • "When can I expect to see or hear the heartbeat in early pregnancy?" By the seventh week you should expect to see something.
  • "Can you have menopause and PCO?" Once you become menopausal PCO is not an issue anymore, you have a hormonal imbalance because your ovaries are not functioning anymore. There are treatments for menopause, including estrogen replacement therapy for the first five years.
  • "What is Metformin and Spironolactone?" Metformin is an insulin blocker, while Spironolactone is a diuretic used with PCO patients that have hirsuitism as well.
  • "How do you treat nausea in pregnancy?" There is a great drug out there now that I use with all my patients, including those who have just had surgery, called "Zofran". It is safe for pregnant patients.

    Not all the topics we covered are listed above...so tune in if you want to hear me discuss these issues and more in depth! Thank you, Sasha, for the opportunity to share this knowledge with your listeners!

    Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG
    Monterey Bay IVF
    www.montereybayivf.com

Sunday, June 13, 2010

41 Yr. Old Iranian Woman With Mixed FSH Results: Remember, FSH Levels Are Not A Measure Of Your Fertility, They Are A Measure Of Ovarian Function!


Question:

Hi! I am 41, with a 22-day cycle. I got married 8 months ago and had a miscariage at very early months (1st month). Then, my doctor prescribed me clomid and letrozol which resulted in production of several eggs. however, I did not get pregnant.My last FSH test result at 21th day was 4.7, while its level at 3rd day (i.e. four days later than my FSH test at 21th day) was 35.5!

I am too much worried about this high level of FSH. What are your recommendations for FSH reduction and get pregnant?

thanks! M. from Iran.

Answer:

Hello M. from Iran,

I am surprised but glad that you are able to search the web, since many of us believe your government has tighter controls. Let me clear something up first of all. The FSH level is only valid for interpretation if it is done on cycle day #2 or 3. I would recommend that you have it repeated because the results you cited don't make sense. The FSH is a measure of ovarian function (or ovarian resistance). This is mainly important to determine how well the ovaries will respond to stimulation. It is NOT a measure of fertility.

However, if the CD#3 FSH level of 35.5 were correct, that would indicate that you are in menopause and your ovaries would be shut down. You would no longer be having periods and you would have menopausal symptoms such as hot flashes. Your ovaries would not respond to stimulation with Clomid or Femara. Yet, you mention that you were able to "produce several eggs" while on Clomid. That is why I don't think that your FSH level is correct.

From a fertility point of view, we want the FSH level to be less than 7. It is of some concern when it is between 7-10, which indicates that there may be less time for the ovaries than we suspected and that the ovaries might be more resistant that expected, and it is of great concern in the level is greater than 10 because that means there is significant ovarian resistance and a shorter time line. Once the level is 15 or greater, most fertility specialists will recommend using donor eggs.

The biggest hurdle that you are facing, in addition to ovarian function, is your age. Your chances of pregnancy with simple Clomid treatments is 2% per month of trying and with IUI is 5% per month of trying. I would not recommend this at your age. I think that time is of the essence, so that you don't lose the possibility of having a genetic child. For that reason I would recommend a more aggressive treatment plan, which would be to proceed directly to IVF. That would give you a 50% chance of pregnancy per month.

Good Luck and thank you for your question,

Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical DirectorThe Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
www.montereybayivf.com
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010

30 Yr Old With Very High FSH Levels Getting Poor Advice From Her Doctor: Has Ovarian Resistance & Possible Future POF


QUESTION:

Dear Dr. Ramirez,

I am 30 years old and recently started trying to conceive. My periods have always been regular and I always been ovulating on day 13. But I still could not succeed after 2 /3 attempt. I did all the blood tests, pelvic ultrasound. My husband did his semen analysis and everything came out OK. I had an FSH 28.5 and LH 81.9 on day 13 (ovulation time) and then again I did the test on Day 1 with an FSH 10.48 and LH 4.72 and again i did on day 4 FSH 8.72 and LH 14.42. Recently my day 3 FSH was 11.54 and LH 4.18. My doctor has prescribed me to take tablet Duoluton L for 3 months.

What is surprising to me is that all my FSH and LH ranges are within the reference range given in the lab test report and more over I have regular periods which start on every 26th day and I am ovulating (which i check through ovulation test kit). I have a normal height and weight, no excessive body hair etc. Why is my doctor considering me a patient of PCOD?

Is my LH and FSH proportion so bad that I have to take these tablets for 03 months?

Please advise, thanking you, Sarika from India.

ANSWER:

Hello Sarika from India,

I'm afraid to say that based on your description, your doctor does not know what she is doing. Sorry to be so blunt. FSH and LH levels only make sense if drawn on cycle day # 2 or 3. We do not draw them at other times in the cycle because the levels can vary. Therefore, the standard is CD# 2 or 3 only.What they tell you, if interpreted by someone who knows what they are doing, is how the ovaries are functioning. The FSH and LH are hormones that the pituitary sends to stimulate the ovary. If the ovary is picking up the hormones correctly, then the levels are low. If not, the levels are high. This is on cycle day # 2 or 3 only.

Your ovaries are functioning correctly as evidenced by regular menstrual cycles. This means that you are ovulating, and based on your cycle day # 3 FSH/LH levels, your ovary is NOT menopausal nor PCOD. However, the worrisome thing is that your FSH level is high (11.54). This is a sign of "ovarian resistance" which means that the ovaries are tending toward menopause, although they have not reached that level yet (> 20). We interpret it as shortening the amount of time you have for ovarian function, therefore we approach this situation more aggressively. I recommend IVF in these patients because we don't want to waste time. There is a disorder called "premature ovarian failure" or POF, whereby a young woman (less than 40) enters menopause early. That is what I would fear with you. So don't waste time. Go see a fertility specialist!!

Follow-Up Question:

Thanks a lot for picking my question! It helped me a lot to understand what's been going wrong for a long time. In the mean time I did my follicular study today (i.e. Day 5) and it showed two follicles in the left ovary : F1 - 18.5mm (dominant follicle) and F2 5.0 mm. So I thought of giving one more try this month also. Is that OK? Or this also indicate that I am moving towards "premature ovarian failure"? Also in the report it is written "Minimal free fluid in Pouch of Douglas". What does this mean? Please help me more with this.

I will be always grateful to you Dr. Ramirez for giving so much information. Regards, Sarika

Follow-Up Answer:

Hello,

If your ovary is functioning, then you should continue to try to get pregnant. Don't give up. You are not in premature ovarian failure yet. Also, the fluid found on ultrasound is a normal finding.

You are wise to question what is going on, please consider switching over to a fertility specialist as I mentioned above! Good luck with your procedures!

Regards,
Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
Monterey, California, USA

Monday, March 29, 2010

Confused Canadian IVF Patient Told She Is PCOS & Ovarian Resistant: Not Possible! What Is The Right Approach?


Question:

Hello Dr. Ramirez,

I am a 36 year old woman who has just attempted my first IVF cycle after 5 unsuccessful IUI's. I have been diagnosed with PCOS and ovarian resistance even thought my FSH has always been low on my day 3 blood work. I do not have a regular period and have needed clomid and Puregon injections in order to ovulate for the IUI's.

This past IVF cycle my numbers were as follows: Day 3 - FSH 5.7, Estrogen 112, Progesterone 3.5 and LH 7.6. I commenced 150 of Puregon on Day 3 and continued on Day 4 and 5. On Day 6 my blood work results were: Estrogen 334, Progesterone 3 and LH 4 and I had many follicles at 1.0. I upped my Puregon to 200 for Day 6 and 7. On Day 8 my blood work was Estrogen 717, Progesterone 2.7 and LH 2.7 and none of the follicles were progressing. I went back in on Day 9 for a follow-up ultra sound and there was no change in follicle size. My IVF cycle was cancelled.

My question is what would the IVF protocol be for someone who has a history of ovarian resistance? Would my dosage need to be increased or combined with other medication? I have had a egg reserve blood test done and I apparently have a very high number of eggs for someone my age. I would assume that would be because I do not ovulate on a regular basis. The question then comes down to egg quality. If I do not ovulate, does that compromise egg quality? Any advice or light you can shine on my situation would be very helpful.
B. from Canada

Answer:

Hello B. from Canada,

First of all, having BOTH PCOS and Ovarian resistance does not compute. Ovarian resistance is when the ovaries do not respond well to stimulation. PCOS patients tend to over-respond to stimulation. Somehow, I'm not sure your doctors have it right. You should be one or the other.

You do not have ovarian resistance based on your description of having "many follicles". You were also on a low protocol, probably in anticipation of being a high responder due to PCOS. Based on your estradiol levels, you were progressing well, but your follicles were small as is characteristic of PCOS patients. They tend to stimulate and grow a lot of follicles, which progress more slowly, instead of selecting a few and growing them more rapidly. Keep in mind that 200IU or Puregon is a low dose. My highest protocol is 600IU. I don't know why your doctor canceled your cycle. Maybe he/she felt uncomfortable with number of follicles you had and did not want to risk hyper-stimulation syndrome. Obviously, your doctor is not used to treating PCOS patients. Also, you were only cycle day #8 which is still early in the cycle. Most patients will go to cycle day #12 or 14 before the follicles are ready. Since your estradiol was only 717, you were not at risk for hyper-stimulation syndrome as yet. Patients that develop hyper-stimulation syndrome tend to have estradiol levels over 2000 by cycle day # 9.

Also, you should keep in mind that at 36, you are still young and most of your eggs should still be at good quality. You have a good FSH. Age is not an issue for you yet.

In terms of protocols, I cannot give you a standard protocol because every program and doctor has different protocols and combination of protocols. I prefer to use a "mixed" protocol which combines both FSH and FSH/LH (I use Follistim for FSH and Menopur for FSH/LH). In your case, you just were not stimulated enough, and the doc should have kept going and increasing the dosage, whether you use the single agent protocol like you did or use a mixed protocol.

I hate to say this, but I might suggest that you consider seeking out a different clinic or doctor, because I am leery about how your first cycle went. Again, I don't think you are a "low responder" so you might want to discard that label for yourself. Low responders barely respond to 600IU or more of medication and often the estradiol doesn't get much above 300-400.

Keep trying and good luck,

Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

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